Re: AOM with APA at TPAC?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 5:28 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> Hi, James:
>
> I've taken the liberty of adding both the APA and the ARIA lists in
> reply to this question ...
>
> Everyone at TPAC, or who would like to get on the phone with us is
> absolutely welcome at each and every meeting we've scheduled. I think we
> have several topics this year of wide interest, and I know for a fact we
> need everyone's accessibility knowledge and experience in the
> conversations. We're asking questions about new and emerging technology,
> where very few of us, if any have experience. So, please do
> participate!
>
> The best way to track what APA TPAC agendum is cheduled when is on our
> scheduling page here:
>
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2019
>
>
> In this specific instance, AOM is set for Thursday at 11:00. It's marked
> "unconfirmed" only because neither Alice nor James have expressly said
> they would be able to participate. I do believe Alice has indicated
> interest in the topic.
>

My apologies: I will be there at 11 on Thursday. A couple of colleagues
from TAG will come along as well, so we can segue into a discussion of the
various TAG issues.

Looking forward to greeting you in person in Fukuoka,
>
> Janina
>
> James Nurthen writes:
> > Janina,
> > If a meeting is happening at TPAC around this I'd love to be involved.
> Can
> > you please let me know if such a meeting is happening and if I may
> attend.
> > Thanks,
> > James
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 5:37 AM Joshue O Connor <joconnor@w3.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Alice and all,
> > >
> > > On 09/09/2019 00:50, Alice Boxhall wrote:
> > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > Everything Léonie said!
> > > Great, thanks for the feedback both. It's very useful.
> > > >
> > > > My main concern would be that the existing ARIA vocabulary/existing
> AT
> > > > interaction patterns would be too limiting for UX designed for an
> > > immersive
> > > > environment (orthogonal to the AOM API design), which Janina touches
> on
> > > > below.
> > > Right, and mine - so it would be great if we could get to an
> > > understanding of what a baseline semantic architecture for XR would
> look
> > > like, and then we can work out what are the annotations a la ARIA or
> > > something new - that does provide the vocabulary for the areas we have
> > > identified like Navigation, Object and Interaction semantics.
> > > >
> > > >> 2.) Do we need bi-directionality for good XR support? Semantics can
> be
> > > >>> consumed by user agents but may be modified in an imersive
> environment
> > > >>> and change as interactions are happening. Like React is data
> driven, XR
> > > >>> semantics may be interaction or results driven.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 3.) What would be the ideal architecture to support XR
> accessibility?
> > > We
> > > >>> seem to be currently aiming at patching XR with current and even
> legacy
> > > >>> AT, so that architecture may be temporary, or move away from
> browser
> > > and
> > > >>> API interactions towards AT being embedded in an immersive
> environment.
> > > >>> What does "good" look like in this situation?
> > > > These are really interesting and important questions - I don't know
> > > enough
> > > > about XR to start answering them.
> > >
> > >
> > > This is really why meeting and discussing is going to be (a lot of fun)
> > > and very helpful.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> 4) Are Object Oriented approaches to accessible XR preferable to
> > > >>> declarative or author applied semantics?
> > > >>> Please confirm whether 11:00 Thursday works.
> > > > It's open for me, although if the topic is primarily going to be XR
> I'm
> > > > unclear why this would be a separate session from the proposed
> plenary
> > > > session <
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2019/SessionIdeas#XR_Accessibility
> > > >
> > > > on Wednesday.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well that is a rather general session/conversation around how to
> provide
> > > better engagement on XR with the current a11y community, as well as let
> > > people know of the work we are all doing in this space. For example
> > > Léonie and Doms upcoming workshop, and our current XAUR drafts as well
> > > as how people can engage with this work who may not be monitoring it so
> > > closely. So I think this will be more general whereas the AOM topic is
> > > quite specific and your expertise is needed.
> > >
> > > Thanks, and I look forward to working with you.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > --
> > > Emerging Web Technology Specialist/Accessibility (WAI/W3C)
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:       http://a11y.org
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures        http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>
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