- From: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>
- Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2019 15:17:55 +0000
- To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, Peter Krautzberger <peter@krautzource.com>
- CC: "public-aria@w3.org" <public-aria@w3.org>
The Unicode braille is also correctly displayed via JAWS and NVDA even with Grade II translation enabled. I haven't yet tested Chrome OS/ChromeVox or iOS/Voiceover, and I don't currently have access to an Android device with BrailleBack or BRLTTY installed. Although I can access a device with Amazon's VoiceView, I don't possess a supported braille display (it works with HumanWare and Baum protocols only - and my Baum display from circa 2005 appears to have hardware problems). -----Original Message----- From: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:06 PM To: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>; Peter Krautzberger <peter@krautzource.com> Cc: public-aria@w3.org Subject: Re: properties for exposing custom Braille descriptions I wrote the Python code below to create Unicode braille files from arrays of integers representing cell contents. I then created a file and accessed it in gedit with Orca. The Unicode characters (encoded as utf-8) were correctly displayed, even though UEB translation was enabled. The speech output also announced the dot patterns for each character. On the Mac, I had to turn off contracted braille (i.e., Grade II translation) to display the Unicode characters. # Convert braille cell dot specifications to Unicode braille. def cellToUnicode(cell): """Convert an array of integers (1-8) denoting dots to the corresponding Unicode braille code point.""" dots=0x2800 if len(cell) > 8: raise ValueError("Cell too large:", len(cell)) for dot in cell: if dot < 1 or dot > 8: raise ValueError("Dot out of range", dot) dots |= 1 << (dot-1) return chr(dots) def cellsToBraille(cells): """Convert an array of cells to a UTF-8 braille Unicode string.""" output="" for cell in cells: output += cellToUnicode(cell) return output.encode('utf-8') def writeUnicodeBraille(filename, cells): """Write the specified cells as Unicode braille to the file given.""" output=cellsToBraille(cells) with open(filename, 'wb') as outputFile: outputFile.write(output) On 2/7/19, 12:13, "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs@igalia.com> wrote: Thanks Jason! We don't need a page per se. It should be sufficient to put some braille unicode characters in a text editor like gedit or notepad. --joanie On 2/7/19 12:07 PM, White, Jason J wrote: > I can perform the test on multiple platforms, including Linux/GNOME/Orca. Is there a test page already, or should I create one? > > On 2/7/19, 12:00, "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs@igalia.com> wrote: > > Indeed, for translation. But Unicode braille characters shouldn't be > translated. So one question is: Is liblouis smart enough to not > translate those? The second question is: Is the library used to > communicate with the display (in my case that would be BrlTTY) smart > enough to handle those characters? > > I would hope that the answer to both questions is "yes." And I went to > verify that this morning for my platform, but when I powered on my > ancient braille display, it made all sorts of noises and gave up the > ghost. :( > > A quick test I did suggests liblouis *might* be translating those > characters, but I'm not positive. Since you (Jason) happen to use Orca, > and presumably have a not-dead refreshable braille display, could you > please do the test for me to answer both the first question and the > second question? > > You should be able to answer the second question by disabling > translated/contracted braille. That will cause Orca to send the > characters directly to BrlTTY unmodified. If what's on the display > matches the unicode braille dot patterns in the test text, then we know > BrlTTY is good. > > To answer the first question, re-enable translated/contracted braille. > If those unicode braille dot patterns are still preserved, then liblouis > is also good. If liblouis isn't good, we should fix that in liblouis, > but that's something I can work around in Orca by looking for characters > in the braille dot pattern range and not sending them to liblouis. As > far as I am aware, I don't have control over what BrlTTY does with the > characters I give it. > > Thanks in advance for doing these tests. And sorry for having to ask > you. My braille display picked a fine morning to kick the bucket. > > --joanie > > > On 2/7/19 9:06 AM, White, Jason J wrote: > > Besides Apple, I think everyone is using liblouis at this point for translation. I don't know what Apple's Mac OS and iOS implementations use. I think it would be reasonable to expect everyone to support the Unicode code points for braille rendering. > > > > On 2/7/19, 09:04, "Joanmarie Diggs" <jdiggs@igalia.com> wrote: > > > > Do we know if all the braille libraries used by the platforms support > > Unicode block? > > > > On 2/7/19 8:57 AM, White, Jason J wrote: > > > Braille ASCII varies between countries, hence between the braille tables > > > loaded by screen readers – so it can’t be used to specify a desired > > > braille representation reliably. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if the author assumes North American ASCII braille, but the > > > user’s system is configured for one of the European codes, the result > > > won’t be what the author would expect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only the Unicode block is unambiguous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Peter Krautzberger <peter@krautzource.com> > > > *Date: *Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 08:43 > > > *To: *"White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org> > > > *Cc: *"public-aria@w3.org" <public-aria@w3.org> > > > *Subject: *Re: properties for exposing custom Braille descriptions > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jason, > > > > > > > > > > > > This question is mentiond in the list of questions at the end of the > > > page. My apologies if the page was not accessible enough to make it there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking for myself, I'd very much hope that Unicode Braille would work. > > > But Braille ascii might be a useful consideration. As I understand it, > > > NVDA's prototype back in May pushed the raw value out (and Sina's test > > > files used grade 1). > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Peter. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may contain privileged or > > > confidential information. It is solely for use by the individual for > > > whom it is intended, even if addressed incorrectly. If you received this > > > e-mail in error, please notify the sender; do not disclose, copy, > > > distribute, or take any action in reliance on the contents of this > > > information; and delete it from your system. 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