- From: Michiel Bijl (list) <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 19:13:37 +0100
- To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
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Minutes for today’s call can be found as text in this e-mail or at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/08-aria-apg-minutes.html — Michiel [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - May 8, 2017 ARIA Authroing Practices 08 May 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/05/08-aria-apg-irc Attendees Present matt_king, MichielBijl, AnnAbbott, JaEunJemmaKu, shirishaBalusani Regrets Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe MichielBijl Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Modal Dialog 2. [5]Treeview Examples 3. [6]Modal Dialog 4. [7]Menu Button * [8]Summary of Action Items * [9]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <mck> it says the meeting code is invalid when I try to call on the phone <sirib> no meeting to day? <sirib> I can't access the link <mck> yes, there is a meeting if we can have one <sirib> can you send me webex link <sirib> [10]https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m4b54b847795d432ef8a2b a82e488fea2 [10] https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m4b54b847795d432ef8a2ba82e488fea2 <sirib> getting meeting has ended or cancelled <sirib> oops , sorry <mck> ann, our meeting line has a problem <jamesn> <MichaelC> which usually means a sysadmin unilaterally canceled it without telling me <jamesn> <MichaelC> I´ll schedule a new one <mck> OK, Michiel, I'll make a point of trying to annoy you further. <AnnAbbott> Yes, meeting call in has a problem mck, we’ll see who wins that battle :P <mck> don't push me <aaronlev> sorry forgot the pwd <AnnAbbott> What is the WebEx password? <scribe> scribe: MichielBijl <aaronlev> erm what was that <AnnAbbott> 666 444 732? <AnnAbbott> I've never joined WebEx for this call before - sorry! <AnnAbbott> I've always dialed in <jamesn> oh dial in number? <jamesn> 644 895 856 <AnnAbbott> Sorry - typo in my password above - it has always been 646 444 732 <AnnAbbott> when I try 644 895 856, it tells me password is incorrect Modal Dialog <mck> [11]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/May-8%2C-2017-Me eting [11] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/May-8,-2017-Meeting <sirib> what is the password Related links: [12]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/325 [12] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/325 [13]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/321 [13] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/321 [14]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/334 [14] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/334 MK: Some people aren’t satisfied with the current text AA: I made a suggestion MK: You suggested focus should always return to the element that invoked the dialog, unless that element doesn’t exist. What about cases where that element isn’t the most logical place for it to go? AA: ?? JN: isn’t maintaining a logical workflow the most important thing? AA: if you got a design that’s so flaky, that focus is returned to the element that invoked it, and you can’t get to the element in the logical work flow, that’s a design flaw. JN: We have a table where you enter new data, after you add one, we set focus to the row after the newly generated one, it’s the most logical place. In that case it’s quite clear what the user wants to do. MK: I agree with James I think there’re some finer points to it For example if you pressed the “add row” button three times it be useless to have to navigate back to it three times. These are design decisions. What we don’t want to do is to limit people that want to make a good design AA: When a dialog closes return focus to the element that invoked it and have something for edge cases where that element no longer exists. JN: I agree with that. MK: I’m not totally fine with that. ... Given the contents of this conversation, I have enough to work on something that’s similar to what we have, but shorter. Treeview Examples MK: First thing is this question <mck> [15]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/223#issuecomme nt-298267313 [15] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/223#issuecomment-298267313 SB: Matt did you get a chance to look at my comments? MK: Do remember looking at them, don’t remember replying to them. My question is about specific text. *Ann reads the issues linked to above* MK: This point is under the accessibility features. On all the treeview example pages. We have a custom focus and hover. Link to code example: [16]http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/treeview/treev iew-1/treeview-1a.html [16] http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/treeview/treeview-1/treeview-1a.html MK: What are the differences between the hover and focus state? MB: On focus the treeitem gets a black border and a light grey background When you hover the treeitem gets a slightly darker background In addition to the custom focus state You also get the default one I suggest we remove the default one as it usually lacks sufficient indication depending on background. MK: I’m okay with that Should we have any guidance on it JN: People are going them themselves, if not, we can ask them to. MB: that does sound helpful (a section about focus indication) *back to focus / hover styles* MB: The hover and focus styles are applied through JS Why aren’t these applied through CSS? The last browser to not support :hover on <li> was IE 6 I’ll make a note of it in the issue JN: We shouldn’t get stuck on this, perfection won’t get us to ship anything MK: Agreed, but we should use correct techniques for things because it adds to the credibility of the document JN: Agreed. MK: Anything else someone wants to say about treeview before me move on? Modal Dialog Menu Button <mck> [17]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93 &q=is%3Aopen%20is%3Aissue%20milestone%3A%22Jan%202017%20Clean%2 0Up%22%20sort%3Aupdated-desc%20review%20menu%20button%20NOT%20m enubar [17] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:open is:issue milestone:"Jan 2017 Clean Up" sort:updated-desc review menu button NOT menubar <mck> [18]https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/383 [18] https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/383 JN: The issue occurs in Firefox, but not in Chrome ... You mention the thing in the thing so they’re cross referenced <AnnAbbott> Navigation Menu Button Example: [19]http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menu-button/me nu-button-links.html http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/menu-button/menu-button-links.html *James sneezes* <sirib> lol MK: When I try to reproduce it it’s not happening for me AA: James you still have all those browsers still up? All those you tested in? JN: Can open them again Do you want me to test the menu opening again in other browsers? AA: Yeah, Chrome and IE11 JN: Moves to the typed character, but doesn’t close the menu Works fine in IE as well MK: What happens for me in FF 43 If I hit the letter A, it moves the focus to the first item with that letter, but it doesn’t close the menu for me. JN: Doesn’t for me either <sirib> can you please tell which issue we are looking at 383, I think Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [20]scribe.perl version 1.152 ([21]CVS log) $Date: 2017/05/08 18:10:07 $ __________________________________________________________ [20] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [21] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.152 of Date: 2017/02/06 11:04:15 Check for newer version at [22]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [22] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/occurs/occurs in/ Succeeded: s/not/but not/ Present: matt_king MichielBijl AnnAbbott JaEunJemmaKu shirishaBalusani Found Scribe: MichielBijl Inferring ScribeNick: MichielBijl WARNING: No meeting chair found! 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