- From: Michiel Bijl (list) <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:11:44 +0100
- To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
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The minutes for today’s meeting can be found as text in this e-mail or at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/04/20-aria-minutes.html
— Michiel
[1]W3C
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Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
20 Apr 2017
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2017/04/20-aria-irc
Attendees
Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, MichielBijl,
Stefan, janina, jkva, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger,
jongund, matt_king
Regrets
Jason_Duan
Chair
Joanmarie_Diggs
Scribe
MichielBijl
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Welcoming Job van Achterberg (new Invited Expert)
2. [5]Joseph leaving
3. [6]ARIA 1.2: Do it or not?
4. [7]Personalization CfC
5. [8]ARIA 1.2: Do it or not?
* [9]Summary of Action Items
* [10]Summary of Resolutions
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<joanie> clear agenda
<joanie> agenda: this
<joanie> agenda: be done
<Rich> scribeNick: MichielBijl
Welcoming Job van Achterberg (new Invited Expert)
JD: We have a new person, yay new person
Job van Achterberg / jkva
You can introduce yourself
JA: I’m Job van Achterberg, from the Netherlands, 34
My wife is Mallory, whom you might know
I’m a co-organiser of role=drinks together with Michiel
I also run inclusive design meetup in NL
I also write Python
All: Welcome!
JD: I recently became a co-chair of this group
Dev for Orco screen reader
Periodically do WebKit etc implementations of ARIA stuff.
RS: Co-chair of this group
Used to be at IBM
Live in Bonaire
<jkva> Bonaire
MB: I’m a dinosaur
JS: I’ve been part of this group for a while
Also part of other groups and chair of the APA
SS: I’m Stefan from Germany
I come from the applicability of ARIA
I joined this group about 5 years ago
It’s a nice working environment
I encourage you to take part
JN: I’ve met Job a couple of times already
Work for Oracle
Work on WCAG and APG
MK: I’m Matt King, work for Facebook
Think Rich brought me into this group around 2010
Editor on the APG
Used to be at IBM, that’s where I met Rich
MC: I’m the staff contact for the ARIA WG.
JG: I’m from the University of Illinois
Work on making their stuff more accessible
Been part of the ARIA WG for a long time
Also work on the APG
And on the ARIA testing with Joanie
JS: I work at the Inclusive Design Research Centre at OCAD
University in Toronto
Also worked on the …
Previous editor of the APG
Now editor of core-aam
This will be my second last meeting
I’ll be leaving you all at the end of the month
RS: Want to thank Joseph for all he’s done
Joseph leaving
RS: Joseph was a great editor!
MK: He was always able to find anything faster than anyone else
JS: Thank you all!
<jongund> sorry to see go Joseph
<jongund> We have done a great job, you will be missed
JD: I’ve tried to convince him to stay, but alas
We can’t replace you Joseph
We do have a dutch man to plug some holes now though
MC: The door is always open if you want to re-join
ARIA 1.2: Do it or not?
Personalization CfC
<joanie>
[11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-admin/2017
Apr/0001.html
[11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-admin/2017Apr/0001.html
JD: About 10 days ago Rich put out a CFC
To do a FPWD
for Advance COGA Semantics to Enable Personalization
The CFC passes with no objections
ARIA 1.2: Do it or not?
RS: Situation: W3C management mesures on deliverables
of specifications
Like the HTML AAM
They depend on us, they link to all of our documents, it’s the
basis of it
Not everybody is contributing on ARIA
Most work falls to three people particularly Joseph and Joanie
Some people prioritise other things over ARIA
For example work on APG instead of ARIA
This happened with 1.0 and we can’t have it happen with 1.1
<Irfan> Hello Everyone! This is Irfan from ETS. I just want to
introduce myself here with the group. I work as accessibility
engineer here at ETS.
<Irfan> yes I am
*scribe lost*
RS: There is a clear disconnect between what W3C management
believes we should be doing, and what the group thinks they
should be doing
Michael, did I mis-state anything?
MC: It’s a complicated situation
Philippe is focused on the rec channel
If we don’t make our delivery dates they have to make radical
changes that we don’t want
RS: We should ask ourselves whether we should do 1.2, and
whether we should continue as a WG after 1.1
Not saying APG is not a priority
Also want to thank all the APG members for all the work they do
However, we need to focus on getting ARIA 1.1 out the door
MC: We need to find a short term way to a ?? and b getting it
done in that time frame
RS: Will point out this is not limited to APG
We’ve had some members dropping in and out for long periods of
time
They’ve been helpful while they’re here
But the consistency isn’t what we’d like it to be
JN: Aaron Leventhal is doing work on the APG
MK: I’m trying to lure him back in
I’m not sure how this is framed
You said there is a disconnect and working group membership,
that’s a problem
And number two there is a skillset disconnect
Is there a third problem?
Those are the two I’m hearing right now
RS: There’re resources that can do testing, that are working on
the APG
I’ve done a bunch of test harness stuff this week
What we need is people working on APG to do testing
MK: Maybe a third problem is that everyone understands which
work has to be done
MK ??
JD: I've developed one for AXAPI, though it's not in a public
repository. And it works quite well. The one I did for ATK and
AT-SPI2 are done and work even better
MK: So you’ve done two platforms?
Jon, I was under the impression that you made good progress?
Maybe part of this is making sure that we all understand what
the game plan is
And where it stands
Would make it easier for people to figure out how and where to
contribute
MC: If we tell the management that we’re not going to make the
deadlines
The management will see that as members not seeing ARIA as a
priority
While most members do see it as a priority
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about how W3M perceives
Member interest
The problem is that we need to show the management that it is a
priority
MK: Browser implementers, the critical part, are missing
MC: We’re not the only group struggling with that.
We need to press them on that
RS: Not just our group, HTML, SVG, among others also have this
issue
The only time I see browser vendors is weeks after a decision
is made they have an issue with.
Jon, I know you’ve been working on this, how far away are you
from having your test integrate with Joanie’s?
JG: We have some Python versioning issues
Joanie works in Python 3 and we use version 2
We need to adapt it to run in Version 2
*something about Python*
RS: Job can you work with Jon to work this out?
JA: If I can get some more details, sure
We can work this out in another channel
MK: Doesn’t NVDA also work with different prog languages?
JG: Yes they do
JD: To be clear, if you’re doing it in Python 2, you can do
separately
It doesn’t have to work with my stuff
Just port it to Python 2
It would be a separate project
RS: So we’d be doing it twice?
JD: No, it would different, it will not interact with my code
RS: So if you change something, Jon would have to do it again?
JD: No
RS: Would it be better for Jon to do it in Python 3?
JD: Yes, that would be easier for the code
RS: Is there a reason you can’t use Python 3?
JG: It’s a complex library, but if you have a Python guru
around that can help
RS: Is it a bug in the library or in python?
JG: Not sure yet
... Would prefer to do it in 2.7
... We’ll take Joanie’s code and port it to 2.7
*techie stuff*
MK: What are our jobs once we have the automated testing tools?
RS: We have to run the tests
Microsoft said that they won’t be working on the harness for
1.1
We can generate the files for manual testing
We will have bugs in the test harness due to little nuances
here and there
What I prefer happen, is getting people assigned to run the
tests
JD: Don’t need volunteers for my platform, we need people for
Windows
I’ve been filing bugs for ATK
[12]https://twitter.com/detonite/status/854334793739378691
[12] https://twitter.com/detonite/status/854334793739378691
RS: Jon, thank you for what you’re doing and please continue,
you’re on the critical path!
... Joanie, will Jon’s work merge into the general dashboard
that shows the results?
JD: You download some JSON and that has the results
JG: Matt, so I should put APG aside and focus on the test
harness?
MK: Yes
I think there’re some issues the group needs to talk about
regarding priorities and such
I do see some differences between REC track and non-REC track
stuff
It seems to be a common problem
RS: Bottom line is that we need to get ARIA 1.1 is finished
If we can’t finish 1.1 we shouldn’t be working on 1.2
Thank you all for the conversation today
Jon, please get together with Job and some other people, and
please let us know where you stand next week
Michael did you want to add anything?
MC: No
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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