- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 16:23:52 -0400
- To: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
- Cc: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
URL: https://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
11 Oct 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joanmarie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings
based on features in html 5.1 spec.
2. [5]ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases of
aria-roledescription.
3. [6]Github issue-428/ACTION-2120 (Bogdan): clean up UIA
mapping of aria-haspopup.
4. [7]ISSUE-676/: (Joanie, Joseph) Added
RELATION_POPUP_FOR to ATK/AT-SPI aria-haspopup
mappings.
5. [8]ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (All) Describe/define aria
related states managed by the user agent.
6. [9]Triage issues/actions:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
<clown>
[12]https://rawgit.com/w3c/html-aam/master/index.html#el-meter
[12] https://rawgit.com/w3c/html-aam/master/index.html#el-meter
ACTION-2102/ISSUE-1026: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features
in html 5.1 spec.
<clown> action-2102
<trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create
mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04
-- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
[13] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
JS: This is the stuff you really wanted done last week, Rich.
... With errormessage, details, etc.
RS: You pulled it all in?
JS: Yes. Is there a reason to keep it open?
RS: I created separate actions for AXAPI, and UIA.
... There was also some discussion about discontiguous rows and
columns for tables and grids, which we're discussing in the IA2
mailing list.
... I did not convert Cynthia's stuff over because I think
they've changed a lot.
JS: So we should close 2102?
RS: Correct.
<clown> issue-1046
<trackbot> issue-1046 -- 1-to-1 Role Mapping Parity between
HTML elements and ARIA (HTML Parity) -- raised
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1046
[14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1046
<clown> issue-1026
<trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage --
open
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
[15] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
<clown> action-1692
<trackbot> action-1692 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose ATK/AT-SPI
mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1692
[16] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1692
JS: Related to this, there are a number of actions.
... Like action-1692.
... I think that's done.
JD: I thought we did this through Rich.
<clown>
[17]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#a
riaErrorMessage
[17]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaErrorMessage
RS: You need to add it ATK and AT-SPI2.
JS: Can you, Joanie, look at the link above?
JD: LGTM
JS: I will close action-1692 then.
action-1693
<trackbot> action-1693 -- Alexander Surkov to Propose MSAA+IA2
mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1693
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1693
JS: This is on Surkov, but again, it's done.
RS: Yes, it's done.
JS: Closing this one too.
... The AXAPI mapping is still TBD.
action-1694
<trackbot> action-1694 -- James Craig to Propose AXAPI mapping
of aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1694
[19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1694
JS: Action-1694 stays open for now.
RS: I just created an action for James Craig.
action-2119
<trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for
MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
[20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
<clown> action-2119
<trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for
MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
[21] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
JS: I would rather leave it the way it is.
ISSUE-1047: (Rich/Joseph) Handle special cases of
aria-roledescription.
<clown> issue-1047
<trackbot> issue-1047 -- Mappings for empty
aria-roledescription and when the element has no implicit nor
explicit ARIA role -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1047
[22] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1047
JS: I think this one is done too.
... It's about empty roledescription. I pulled this in last
week.
RS: Yes, it's in the table.
JS: So I can close this issue?
RS: Yes.
Github issue-428/ACTION-2120 (Bogdan): clean up UIA mapping of
aria-haspopup.
<clown> action-2120
<trackbot> action-2120 -- Bogdan Brinza to UIA: clean up
mapping for aria-haspopup -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120
[23] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2120
JS: I created this action for Bogdan to take over from Cynthia.
... She already has a proposal for aria-haspopup.
... I asked her some questions, but she has not replied.
... So we'll turn this over to Bogdan.
RS: I also gave him the mappings for DPub.
... Philippe wants us to hit schedules.
... Philippe is the domain lead.
JS: I saw his response, and he said we couldn't do the mappings
for DPub.
RS: He said it needed to be based on the text interface.
... Their text interface covers the entire document.
JS: And they have pointers into it.
... But that's not my document; it's DPub AAM.
ISSUE-676/: (Joanie, Joseph) Added RELATION_POPUP_FOR to ATK/AT-SPI
aria-haspopup mappings.
<clown> issue-676?
<trackbot> issue-676 -- Is it useful to identify MSAA+IA2 and
ATK/AT-SPI actions, interfaces, and relations in the mappings?
-- open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
[24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/676
JS: I think I want to close this one too.
... It was open by Jason Kiss.
... He wanted us to add actions, interfaces, etc. for the
mappings.
... We did it for ATK/AT-SPI2.
... I guess I can ping Jason and ask him if this is ok now.
JD: Clarification: This haspopup is part of Jason's stuff?
JS: Yes.
... There are three actions on this issue, and all of them have
been closed.
... So is there anything left to do is my question.
... I think it's throw it back to Jason.
JD: That makes sense to me.
RS: I'm confused.
JS: Jason raised the issue.
... So we're going to ask him if there is more to do.
RS: Did you address Windows?
JS: I didn't.
RS: Did you ask Alex Surkov?
JS: No, I guess I should.
ISSUE-706/ACTION-980 (All) Describe/define aria related states
managed by the user agent.
<clown> issue-706
<trackbot> issue-706 -- Describe/define AAPI managed states --
open
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/706
[25] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/706
JS: This was an old issue.
<clown> action-980
<trackbot> action-980 -- Cynthia Shelly to Describe/define
managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2016-07-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
[26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/980
JS: The action (980) was assigned to Cynthia.
... This action is to write a section to explain managed states
when you don't use ARIA.
RS: I have a recommendation: Move it to 1.2.
JS: This was opened in 2010.
RS: I know, and it is important.
... But I do not see it as blocking 1.1.
JS: I'll make a new product for Core AAM 1.2.
... And I will move the issue to 1.2.
... And assign it to Marco Zehe because I don't see Alex Surkov
listed.
<clown>
[27]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#s
tatePropertyMappingGeneralRules
[27]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#statePropertyMappingGeneralRules
JD: I wonder if this would be a good thing for Jason Kiss.
... He seems really good at, and motivated by (?), these sorts
of issues.
Triage issues/actions:
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
<clown> issue-1038
<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
[29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
<clown> issue-1039
<trackbot> issue-1039 -- Need mapping for role="figure" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
[30] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
<clown> issue-1040
<trackbot> issue-1040 -- Need mappings for role="term" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
[31] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
RS: I think issues 1038, 1039, and 1040 can be closed as
duplicates.
JS: Duplicates of what?
RS: Of the one I assigned to Bogdan.
JS: You assigned an action to Bogdan; not an issue.
RS: Oh, then never mind.
... Link action-2119 and action-2118.
action-2119
<trackbot> action-2119 -- James Craig to Update Core-AAM for
MacOSX -- due 2016-10-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
[32] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2119
action-2118
<trackbot> action-2118 -- Bogdan Brinza to Addresss UIA
mappings for ARIA 1.1 -- due 2016-10-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2118
[33] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2118
issue-1039
<trackbot> issue-1039 -- Need mapping for role="figure" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
[34] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1039
issue-1038
<trackbot> issue-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
[35] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
issue-1040
<trackbot> issue-1040 -- Need mappings for role="term" for all
AAPIs -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
[36] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1040
JS: I've changed 1038 to include 1039 and 1040 which are now
truly duplicates.
issue-542
<trackbot> issue-542 -- Text Alt Comp section on CSS generated
content does not allow for proper CSS content fallback -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
[37] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
<clown> issue-542
<trackbot> issue-542 -- Text Alt Comp section on CSS generated
content does not allow for proper CSS content fallback -- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
[38] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/542
JS: I'll move issue-542 to the name-computation product
... I think the same applies to issue-609
<clown> issue-609
<trackbot> issue-609 -- Text Alt Comp section does not
explicitly disallow empty strings as a valid label -- open
<trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
[39] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
issue-609
<trackbot> issue-609 -- Text Alt Comp section does not
explicitly disallow empty strings as a valid label -- open
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
[40] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/609
issue-618
<clown> issue-618
<trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single
selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
[41] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
<trackbot> issue-618 -- MSAA selection event mapping for single
selection case when item becomes unselected -- open
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
[42] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/618
JS: I think we can close issue-618
... Based on discussion with Alex, there is a selection-removed
event when an item becomes unselected.
... Cynthia has given me a bunch of text to put in there, and
also created a test file for it.
<clown>
[43]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#m
apping_events_selection
[43]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
JS: The above link is for the latest Editors' Draft.
... I've added it already.
<clown> ACTION: Joanie to correct the ATK/AT-SPI entries in
seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when
the selection is removed. [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2121 - Correct the atk/at-spi entries
in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection
when the selection is removed. [on Joanmarie Diggs - due
2016-10-18].
<clown> action-2121
<trackbot> action-2121 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Correct the
atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and
multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due
2016-10-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
[45] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
JS: You (Joanie) have a new action.
... But the other things belong to Bogdan.
issue-1015
<trackbot> issue-1015 -- Firefox interested in doing
UIA-Express. We may need to un-deprecate it. -- raised
<trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
[46] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
RS: Close it
[47]https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404
[47] https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404
<clown>
[48]https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404#issuecomment-2403208
09
[48] https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/404#issuecomment-240320809
JS: Jason Kiss's comment (above)
... And this is the HTML-AAM
RS: I thought they decided to remove it from the spec.
JS: What they did was move it to MSAA/IA2.
RS: I don't get it. What does IA2 have to do with UIA Express?
... Part of UIA Express is MSAA. So maybe he just moved those
over.
JS: It definitely looks like UIA Express is gone.
[49]https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/f4075353a61fc79e1dd1cba0
de444f009c15d12e?diff=split
[49]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/f4075353a61fc79e1dd1cba0de444f009c15d12e?diff=split
<clown>
[50]https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/commit/5c35ea8591713f425a71
c3f51a409ac399c766df
[50]
https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/commit/5c35ea8591713f425a71c3f51a409ac399c766df
[51]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/448771/
[51] https://paste.fedoraproject.org/448771/
JS: I'm going to close issue-1015.
issue-1015
<trackbot> issue-1015 -- Firefox interested in doing
UIA-Express. We may need to un-deprecate it. -- raised
<trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
[52] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1015
RS: Sure
<clown>
[53]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#a
riaKeyshortcuts
[53]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaKeyshortcuts
[54]https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-b
usy.3D.22false.22_on_a_menubar
[54]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-busy.3D.22false.22_on_a_menubar
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to correct the ATK/AT-SPI entries in
seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when
the selection is removed. [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[55] http://www.w3.org/2016/10/11-aapi-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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