Comments for today’s ARIA Caucus call (March 10)

Hi,
For the record, I wished to clarify a couple of points from the minutes.

I’m not objecting to an additional combobox pattern, just that the wording needs to be clear that the 1.0 design pattern and mapping structure is and will remain valid regardless in 1.1. When Rich mentioned checker tools, this became even clearer to me that this is necessary, because if left vague, checkers are likely to start flagging role=combobox on inputs as invalid for 1.1, and this is going to lead to problems down the road because this is presently and has been going back five years the only method available for ensuring accessibility for this widget type, and it is used all over the place and it’s not going to go away.

Matt, I understand that you disagree with my statement that the original 1.0 design pattern is fully accessible, simply because I know that nothing in the world is “fully accessible”. However I don’t understand what actually is inaccessible about this design pattern when implemented properly. Here is an example that includes two such role=combobox examples.

http://whatsock.com/tsg/Coding%20Arena/ARIA%20Comboboxes/ARIA%20Comboboxes%20(Native%20Inputs,%20Editable%20and%20Readonly)/demo.htm

Can you explain how these two widgets are still inaccessible? From my testing, this functions in the same way as a native combobox such as a select. This is why I disagree with your statement that “the 1.0 pattern will fade away”, and I don’t agree that it should.

All the best,
Bryan





From: Schnabel, Stefan [mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com]
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Subject: RE: [ARIA] Agenda: March 3, 2016 WAI-ARIA Working Group

Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2016/03/10-aria-minutes.html


Regards
Stefan

From: Rich Schwerdtfeger [mailto:richschwer@gmail.com]
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To: Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com<mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [ARIA] Agenda: March 3, 2016 WAI-ARIA Working Group

This involves the core aam. I sent a note to Joseph and had copied the svg a11y task force earlier although I did not link to the github issue but rather the w3c issue for it.

Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger



On Mar 2, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com<mailto:amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>> wrote:

If there's time, I'd appreciate the group taking a look at GitHub Issue #136, on the interaction of role=none/presentation and other global ARIA attributes. Joanmarie filed the issue when trying to implement SVG-AAM, but it really stems from the Core mapping spec.

https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/136


I'd like to confirm that the interpretation we're taking for SVG-AAM matches how others think Core-AAM should be interpreted. And it would be nice to get clarified language into both specs in time for publication of the new drafts next week.

~Amelia

On 27 February 2016 at 18:59, Richard Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com<mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote:

Agenda: March 3, 2016 WAI-ARIA Working Group



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Agenda:





1. Reminder: Heartbeat drafts Freeze March 11





2. Action 1490: Combobox (20 minutes *max* discussion) Matt



       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1490


       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/610


       - Proposal: http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/mck-action1490/aria/aria.html




3. Action 2021: Draft text for default max and min spinbutton values (Joanie)

        - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2021


       - https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action-2021/aria/aria.html#spinbutton


4. Action 1489: Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overriden by strong native semantics (Michael)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1489


       - Proposal: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1489/aria/aria.html#host_general_conflict


       - Diff: https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/0b9ebc94afa85fcfb281bab88b9dacd2a88111c7


5. Action 1719: Review Draft of ARIA exit Criteria (Michael)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1719


       - Proposal: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/CR-pub/aria/aria.html#sotd


6 Action 1730 Draft “deprecated section for conformance section of spec.(Michael)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1730


       - Proposal: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-1730/aria/aria.html#deprecated


7. Action 2004: Create Proposal for Password Role (Cynthia Shelly to respond with response from security team)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2004


       - https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/password-role/aria/aria.html#password


       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1005


8. Action 1723: Create sections listing the roles that provide nameFrom:author and nameFrom:Contents (Joanie)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1723


9. Action 1743: Put aria-activedescendant on application (Joanie)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1743




10. Actiom 1489: Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overridden by strong native semantics (e.g., aria-label and aria-labelledby) (Michael)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1489




11. Action 1513: Set up ARIA 1.1 Requirements draft (Michael)

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1513




12. Action 2023 Write a proposal about how to modify the definition of role text to limit its use.

       - https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2023




13. Review Open Action Items and Issues (Many overdue items - need to get new dates and determine if must reassign)

        - http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/17




References:



Extended Description Analysis:

https://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis




ARIA Test Plan Action Items:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/5


ARIA Implementation Guide:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23




ARIA Name Computation Issues and Actions:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/26




ARIA Test Report:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1


ARIA 1.1 Test Plan Issues and Actions:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/25




ARIA 1.1 Test Harness:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=4




Use Cases for Extended Descriptions:

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Use_Cases_for_Extended_Descriptions




WAI-ARIA Extension Process:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIAExtensions




ARIA Working Group Decision Policy

https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/decision-policy




Minutes Last Meeting:

https://www.w3.org/2016/02/25-aria-minutes.html