RE: 7-day CfC: notes on option, treeitem, and spinbutton about children presentational - closes 15 June

Bryan,

I do not believe interactive widget vs composite widget is the heart of the
issue. For me, the issue is how difficult is it for developers create
structures with ARIA markup? For authors sake, I would not like to see a
proliferation of roles because  the structure  content is presentational vs
interactive content vs complex widget. Hopefully, an author could use a
single recognizable logical role independent of the type of content in the
structure.

                                                              
     Regards,                                                 
                                                              
    Fred Esch                                                 
 Watson, IBM, W3C                                             
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From:	Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com>
To:	Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, Michael Cooper
            <cooper@w3.org>
Cc:	ARIA Admin <public-aria-admin@w3.org>
Date:	06/10/2016 02:20 PM
Subject:	RE: 7-day CfC: notes on option, treeitem, and spinbutton about
            children presentational - closes 15 June



What appears to me to be at the heart of this issue, is the question "what
is meant by an interactive widget that is not composite?"

So for the record, can somebody here please define what is meant by a
widget that is not a composite widget?

This is very important, because it looks like the primary opposition here
is the assumption that they should do the opposite of what the spec
actually says they do.


Bryan Garaventa
Accessibility Fellow
SSB BART Group, Inc.
bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com
415.624.2709 (o)
www.SSBBartGroup.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joanmarie Diggs [mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 7:06 PM
To: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Cc: ARIA Admin <public-aria-admin@w3.org>
Subject: Re: 7-day CfC: notes on option, treeitem, and spinbutton about
children presentational - closes 15 June

Explicit +1 for wider review of this topic.
--joanie

On 06/09/2016 09:04 PM, Michael Cooper wrote:
> This is a Call for Consensus (CfC) to the Accessible Rich Internet
> Applications (ARIA) Working Group regarding the following resolution
> of the ARIA Working group:
>
>     Add editorial note to option, treeitem, and spinbutton roles that
>     their "children are presentational" status is provisional
>
>
>     Background
>
> This was approved by the participants of the 9 June 2016
> teleconference, and further context is available in the minutes:
>
>     https://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-aria-minutes.html#item02
>
> Note this resolution does not close discussion on the issue of whether
> these roles ultimately should have the children presentational
> restriction, or whether further engineering is needed, and if so in
> what time frame. This edit supports wider review of the topic.
>
>
>     Action
>
> This CfC is now open for objection, comment, as well as statements of
> support via email. Silence will be interpreted as support, though
> messages of support are certainly welcome.
>
> If you object to this proposal, or have comments concerning it, please
> respond by replying on list to this message no later than 23:59
> (midnight) Boston Time, Wednesday, 15 June 2016. For objections only,
> please copy the main aria@w3.org list to allow technical discussion of
> the objection to happen there.
>
>
>     Process
>
> This CfC is conducted per the ARIA WG decision policy:
>
>     https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/decision-policy
>
> I am issuing this CfC as acting chair, but Rich will record the formal
> ratification if passed.
>
> Michael
>