Re: "doc-panelist" (Was: AXAPI Role mappings for DPub and Graphics AAMs) from Rich Schwerdtfeger on 2016-07-18 (public-aria@w3.org from July 2016)

From: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:32:13 -0500
To: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>
Message-Id: <58053464-6589-4882-A190-CB125C29E9DA@gmail.com>
  Sorry that was a typo . It should be doc-pagelist.

Also,

James provided mappings for things like appendix and acknowledgements below. Rather than expose these as appendix and acknowledgements he believes they only need be exposed as a group as the headers for those section will include those words i. Them at all times

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> On Jul 18, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rich,
>  
> I am puzzled by this question, because I don’t recognize the role doc-panelist. Did something creep in from another document?
>  
> Thanks,
> Tzviya
>  
> Tzviya Siegman
> Information Standards Lead
> Wiley
> 201-748-6884
> tsiegman@wiley.com
>  
> From: James Craig [mailto:jcraig@apple.com] 
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: Rich Schwerdtfeger
> Cc: Joanmarie Diggs; ARIA Working Group; Fred Esch
> Subject: "doc-panelist" (Was: AXAPI Role mappings for DPub and Graphics AAMs)
>  
> What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? 
>  
> I don't see that in the draft, but I assume it could be mapped like its superclass "navigation" role. 
>  
> If that role is intended to read as "pane list", it looks like the word "panelist", aka a human participant in a panel. The DPUB group should consider changing it to avoid ambiguity.
>  
> We would do the same superclass mapping with the SVG "graphics-document" role.
>  
> graphics-document     
>  
> Same as "document" role.
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXDocument
>   AXRoleDescription: 'document'
>  
> For that matter, I'm not convinced the "graphics-document" subrole literal is required. Why can't this just be an implementation details for any "document" inside an image?
>  
> James
>  
>  
> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? 
>  
> That is now only a group which has no semantic meaning.
>  
> Rich
>  
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
>  
>  
> 
>  
> On Jul 16, 2016, at 11:56 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:
>  
> I've completed the mapping list below. As most of these do not require special mappings to the API, the mappings should inherit from their superclass role in Core-AAM.
> 
> These are links, headings, images, an occasional landmark, and a lot of generic groups. Most of the generic groups (abstract, footnotes, etc.) will be clearly identified to the user by a contained heading, so they do not need any additional mapping to the API.
> 
> Note: Some roles—like chapter and subtitle—are likely to have additional support in the future. However, because no chapter- or subtitle-specific subrole is supported by any user agent or assistive technology, no special mapping should be included in a TR document.
> 
> Thanks,
> James Craig
> 
> 
> On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris and James.
> 
> I was looking over mappings for the DPub submodule of ARIA and noticed
> that there were a lot of "TBD" notes for AXSubrole. That, along with
> spotting "AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc'," suggests we need your input.
> 
> Below please find a list of all the role mappings for your platform from
> the DPub AAM spec, along with the three from the Graphics AAM spec. When
> you have some spare cycles, it would be great if you could review what
> we currently have and let us know what we should have.
> 
> Thanks in advance for your time. And have an awesome weekend!
> --joanie
> 
> ======================================================================
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html
> 
> 1. doc-abstract
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'abstract'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 2. doc-acknowledgments
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'acknowledgments'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 3. doc-afterword
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'afterword'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 4. doc-appendix
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'appendix'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 5. doc-backlink
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'backward reference'
> 
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'link'
> 
> 
> 6. doc-biblioentry
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography entry'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 7. doc-bibliography
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 8. doc-biblioref
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography reference'
> 
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'link'
> 
> 
> 9. doc-chapter
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'chapter'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> Chapter is the most likely candidate for a future subrole, but none exists yet.
> 
> 
> 10. doc-colophon
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'colophon'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 11. doc-conclusion
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'conclusion'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 12. doc-cover
>   AXRole: AXImage
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'image'
> 
>   AXRole: AXImage
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'image'
> 
> 
> 13. doc-credit
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'credit'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 14. doc-credits
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'credits'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 15. doc-dedication
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'dedication'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 16. doc-endnote
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'endnote'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 17. doc-endnotes
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'endnotes'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 18. doc-epigraph
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'epigraph'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 19. doc-epilogue
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'epilogue'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 20. doc-errata
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'errata'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 21. doc-example
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'example'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 22. doc-footnote
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'footnote'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 23. doc-foreword
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'foreword'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 24. doc-glossary
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'glossary'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 25. doc-glossref
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'glossary reference'
> 
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'link'
> 
> 
> 26. doc-index
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'index'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 27. doc-introduction
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'introduction'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 28. doc-noteref
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'note reference'
> 
>   AXRole: AXLink
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'link'
> 
> 
> 29. doc-notice
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'notice'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 30. doc-pagebreak
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'page break'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 31. doc-pagelist
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation
>   AXRoleDescription: 'page list'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 32. doc-part
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'part'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 33. doc-preface
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'preface'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 34. doc-prologue
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'prologue'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 35. doc-pullquote: (not mapped)
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 36. doc-qna
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'questions and answers'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 37. doc-subtitle
>   AXRole: AXHeading
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'subtitle'
> 
>   AXRole: AXHeading
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'heading'
> 
> 
> 38. doc-tip
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: TBD
>   AXRoleDescription: 'tip'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 
> 39. doc-toc
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation
>   AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> ======================================================================
> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/graphics-aam/graphics-aam.html
> 
> 1. graphics-document  
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXGraphicsDoc
>   AXRoleDescription: 'graphics document'
> 
> Same as "document" role.
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXDocument
>   AXRoleDescription: 'document'
> 
> 
> 
> 2. graphics-object
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: AXGraphicsObject
>   AXRoleDescription: 'graphics object'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 3. graphics-symbol
>   AXRole: TBD
>   AXSubrole: AXSymbol
>   AXRoleDescription: 'graphics symbol'
> 
>   AXRole: AXGroup
>   AXSubrole: <nil>
>   AXRoleDescription: 'group'
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>
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