- From: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 13:44:31 -0500
- To: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Markus Gylling <markus.gylling@gmail.com>
- Cc: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>, ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>, Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, W3C PF - DPUB Joint Task Force <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <9E1B0B59-EEAF-46A7-AE8E-E3A1E4870C27@gmail.com>
Tzviya, Markus, James appears to be making assumptions that the new semantics we have can conveyed to an assistive technology that many of these can be groups because the author will likely include the the type in the heading for that section. Since you work in the digital publishing industry is this always going to be the case or are there exceptions? Please look at the roles that James would like to convert to a generic “group” role on the Mac. I will put what James puts in their for his platform but we should hear from actual people that work in the publishing industry before he locks it down. At least, this way, James will have heard your side of it. Regards, Rich Rich Schwerdtfeger > On Jul 18, 2016, at 12:46 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote: > >> What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? > > > I don't see that in the draft, but I assume it could be mapped like its superclass "navigation" role. > > If that role is intended to read as "pane list", it looks like the word "panelist", aka a human participant in a panel. The DPUB group should consider changing it to avoid ambiguity. > > We would do the same superclass mapping with the SVG "graphics-document" role. > >>>> graphics-document >>> > >>> Same as "document" role. >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: AXDocument >>> AXRoleDescription: 'document' > > For that matter, I'm not convinced the "graphics-document" subrole literal is required. Why can't this just be an implementation details for any "document" inside an image? > > James > > >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Rich Schwerdtfeger <richschwer@gmail.com <mailto:richschwer@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> What about things like doc-panelist whose superclass is “navigation”? >> >> That is now only a group which has no semantic meaning. >> >> Rich >> >> Rich Schwerdtfeger >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 11:56 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I've completed the mapping list below. As most of these do not require special mappings to the API, the mappings should inherit from their superclass role in Core-AAM. >>> >>> These are links, headings, images, an occasional landmark, and a lot of generic groups. Most of the generic groups (abstract, footnotes, etc.) will be clearly identified to the user by a contained heading, so they do not need any additional mapping to the API. >>> >>> Note: Some roles—like chapter and subtitle—are likely to have additional support in the future. However, because no chapter- or subtitle-specific subrole is supported by any user agent or assistive technology, no special mapping should be included in a TR document. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> James Craig >>> >>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com <mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Chris and James. >>>> >>>> I was looking over mappings for the DPub submodule of ARIA and noticed >>>> that there were a lot of "TBD" notes for AXSubrole. That, along with >>>> spotting "AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc'," suggests we need your input. >>>> >>>> Below please find a list of all the role mappings for your platform from >>>> the DPub AAM spec, along with the three from the Graphics AAM spec. When >>>> you have some spare cycles, it would be great if you could review what >>>> we currently have and let us know what we should have. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for your time. And have an awesome weekend! >>>> --joanie >>>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html> >>>> >>>> 1. doc-abstract >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'abstract' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 2. doc-acknowledgments >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'acknowledgments' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 3. doc-afterword >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'afterword' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 4. doc-appendix >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'appendix' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 5. doc-backlink >>>> AXRole: AXLink >>>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'backward reference' >>> >>> AXRole: AXLink >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'link' >>> >>>> 6. doc-biblioentry >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography entry' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 7. doc-bibliography >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 8. doc-biblioref >>>> AXRole: AXLink >>>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'bibliography reference' >>> >>> AXRole: AXLink >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'link' >>> >>>> 9. doc-chapter >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'chapter' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>> Chapter is the most likely candidate for a future subrole, but none exists yet. >>> >>>> 10. doc-colophon >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'colophon' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 11. doc-conclusion >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'conclusion' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 12. doc-cover >>>> AXRole: AXImage >>>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'image' >>> >>> AXRole: AXImage >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'image' >>> >>>> 13. doc-credit >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'credit' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 14. doc-credits >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'credits' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 15. doc-dedication >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'dedication' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 16. doc-endnote >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'endnote' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 17. doc-endnotes >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'endnotes' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 18. doc-epigraph >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'epigraph' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 19. doc-epilogue >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'epilogue' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 20. doc-errata >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'errata' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 21. doc-example >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'example' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 22. doc-footnote >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'footnote' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 23. doc-foreword >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'foreword' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 24. doc-glossary >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'glossary' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 25. doc-glossref >>>> AXRole: AXLink >>>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'glossary reference' >>> >>> AXRole: AXLink >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'link' >>> >>>> 26. doc-index >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'index' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 27. doc-introduction >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'introduction' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 28. doc-noteref >>>> AXRole: AXLink >>>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'note reference' >>> >>> AXRole: AXLink >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'link' >>> >>>> 29. doc-notice >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'notice' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 30. doc-pagebreak >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'page break' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 31. doc-pagelist >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'page list' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 32. doc-part >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'part' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 33. doc-preface >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'preface' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 34. doc-prologue >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'prologue' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 35. doc-pullquote: (not mapped) >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 36. doc-qna >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'questions and answers' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 37. doc-subtitle >>>> AXRole: AXHeading >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'subtitle' >>> >>> AXRole: AXHeading >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'heading' >>> >>>> 38. doc-tip >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: TBD >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'tip' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>> >>>> 39. doc-toc >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: AXLandmarkNavigation >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'doc toc' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/graphics-aam/graphics-aam.html <https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/graphics-aam/graphics-aam.html> >>>> >>>> 1. graphics-document >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: AXGraphicsDoc >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'graphics document' >>> >>> Same as "document" role. >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: AXDocument >>> AXRoleDescription: 'document' >>> >>> >>>> 2. graphics-object >>>> AXRole: AXGroup >>>> AXSubrole: AXGraphicsObject >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'graphics object' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>>> 3. graphics-symbol >>>> AXRole: TBD >>>> AXSubrole: AXSymbol >>>> AXRoleDescription: 'graphics symbol' >>> >>> AXRole: AXGroup >>> AXSubrole: <nil> >>> AXRoleDescription: 'group' >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
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