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FW: [WebAIM] Recommending Widget Markup that Doesn't Work in Reality

From: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@ssbbartgroup.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 22:00:29 +0000
To: "public-aria@w3.org" <public-aria@w3.org>
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Passing this along here in case it's of interest.

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto:webaim-forum-bounces@list.webaim.org] On Behalf Of Brooks newton
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:34 PM
To: webaim-forum@list.webaim.org
Subject: [WebAIM] Recommending Widget Markup that Doesn't Work in Reality

Hi Folks,

Here are a few questions for the Web accessibility experts who are in positions to recommend advice to Web site production teams that are ready to take action to build out pages for launch.  

Do you recommend ARIA-enabled solutions for complex widgets, when you know full and well that there is no combination of OS, browser and assistive technology that will render the particular widget accessible, in terms of actual performance?  If so, wouldn't everyone agree that it is imperative to communicate the fact that a proposed solution is "theoretically sound," yet functionally inaccessible given the current state of software?

Over the years I've seen a lot of theoretical solutions that pass WCAG compliance muster, which would in no way pass a more stringent standard, such as the performance objectives central to standards like the Twenty First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA). 

Do any accessibility experts out there ever tell their clients that some design patterns are inherently inaccessible, given the current state of technology?  If this is the case, do you recommend an alternate, fully accessible version of the inherently inaccessible widget or content?  Or, is the better advice to simply give up on the fancy widget for now and stick with old school accessible techniques to present the same content to users so all abilities?

Last question: Why don't we have an accessible, freely available centralized repository of fully vetted ARIA design patterns, with a full compatibility matrix that displays OS, browser, AT, etc. compatibility?  Are the competitive pressures between companies /agencies keeping us from reaching a consensus on what advanced cookbook solutions work now and which theoretical models need additional support before we can recommend with confidence to clients?  


Brooks Newton


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