Re: ACTION-2107: Precedence of aria-details over aria-describedby

Ok. Now, I am having a serious problem. This was supposed to have been reviewed by the group and that includes you. It also went out for 7 day CFC. Where were you?  

Stating precedence is a normative statement. Do you think it is a nice to have? 

One of the problems I am now having with your comments is that if neither has precedence we have an overload of mechanisms a user must deal with to get help information. 

We need to have authors make a choice. The preference should be for everyone to be able to access the information and not the 1% of the users with an AT.

Remember this was put in to help digital publishers which is targeting all users.

Rich


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> On Aug 13, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Rich,
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> The statement about precedence does not include any normative language. And, I still do not understand what it means.
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> If both aria-describedby and aria-details are specified on the same element, is either the user agent or assistive technology supposed to do something special? If either or both are supposed to do something, what is it that they do?
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> Matt
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> From: Rich Schwerdtfeger [mailto:richschwer@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:22 AM
> To: Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>
> Cc: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: ACTION-2107: Precedence of aria-details over aria-describedby
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> That is true. However, we did not see the need for multiple descriptions. Also, if you change that it would be a normative change. 
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> Since both define a description, the reason for the precedence is that authors can hide aria-details content where they are not allowed to with aria-details - meaning it is accessible to everyone and not just AT users.  aria-details is intended to be shown. 
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> Rich
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> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com> wrote:
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> WRT completing ACTION-2107, Make editorial changes to aria-details, I have one question.
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> What is the intended meaning of the following sentence from the aria-details specification?
> "When both aria-describedby and aria-details are provided on an element aria-details takes precedence."
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> Since aria-details is not part of the name and description calculation, it clearly does not refer to precedence in that calculation. Does it refer to a user agent behavior? If not, whose is responsible for creating the precedence, and how is that precedence manifest?
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> Thanks,
> matt
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