RE: Proposal and Justification for ARIA 1.2 (Was: text role removal)

Screen reader users care about fonts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Matt

 

From: White, Jason J [mailto:jjwhite@ets.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 8:47 AM
To: Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>; Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Amelia Bellamy-Royds' <amelia.bellamy.royds@gmail.com>; 'Steven Faulkner' <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>; 'James Craig' <jcraig@apple.com>; 'Joanmarie Diggs' <jdiggs@igalia.com>; 'Michiel Bijl' <michiel@agosto.nl>; 'Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group' <public-aria@w3.org>; 'Richard Schwerdtfeger' <richschwer@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Proposal and Justification for ARIA 1.2 (Was: text role removal)

 

 

 

From: Fred Esch [mailto:fesch@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 11:32 AM

I disagree with this statement at least for SVG.
Regardless of how the graphic is drawn, we should never hide the fact that it is a graphic. That information is very important.

Some SVG authoring tools generate path elements for everything instead of using the full suite of drawing primitives; and that is just how they work. In these cases, there is no attempt by the author to use a symbol for text, nor is the author avoiding using the text element. In these cases, telling a user that the text comes from a graphic/path (or n-paths) is not beneficial, nor does it covey what a sighted user sees.

[Jason] I’ve been thinking about this, and I can think of very few situations in which this information would be of benefit to the user. There might be a stylized font on the page that might be referred to in a conversation between a screen reader user and a colleague, but what is desirable in that case is proper font identification, not merely an indication that the text (and it could be the entire text within a given construct) is rendered as a graphic.


In some cases, like when the author chooses a unusual font that is unlikely to be on a user's machine, turning text into a path may be the only way to ensure the visual appearance of the text is maintained on the user's machine. Again, because it is captured as a path element is not important to any user, sighted on not.

[Jason] Agreed, but having the font information could sometimes be useful. Maybe that’s an issue for the CSS Accessibility Task Force, especially if they’re planning to disclose a subset of CSS properties to accessibility APIs.

 

 

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