Minutes for Monday, 14 December 2015 WAI-PF ARIA Authoring Practices Guide Taskforce from Michiel Bijl on 2015-12-14 (public-aria@w3.org from December 2015)

From: Michiel Bijl <michiel@agosto.nl>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:31:13 +0100
To: Protocols and Formats Working Group <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Cc: ARIA Working Group <public-aria@w3.org>
Message-Id: <00727C3E-626B-49C5-A963-62F477E8D3FA@agosto.nl>
Minutes for todays meeting can be found in this e-mail as text and at this URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/12/14-aria-apg-minutes.html

—Michiel

   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                              ARIA APG TF

14 Dec 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/12/14-aria-apg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          AnnAbbott, Bryan_Garaventa, JaeunJemmaKu, JamesNurthen,
          MattKing, MichielBijl

   Regrets
   Chair
          Matt_King

   Scribe
          jamesn, MichielBijl

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Review example of radio group pattern
            https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examp
            les/radio/radio.html
         2. [5]Continue review of sections 2.12 Dialog (Tooltip)
            and 2.22 Popup Help (aka Bubble Help)
         3. [6]Update pattern work assignments and status
            https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practi
            ces-Patterns-Status
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     * [8]Summary of Resolutions
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Review example of radio group pattern
[9]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/radio/ra
dio.html

      [9] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/radio/radio.html

   <jamesn> scribe: jamesn

   <jemma>
   [10]https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/r
   adio/radio.html

     [10] https://rawgit.com/a11ydoer/aria/jemma/practices/examples/radio/radio.html

   <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl

   JK: Remove note about generated content?

   MK: No, just the generated content part is wrong.

   JN: Just remove “or generated content”

   MK: this one is using up and down arrow
   ... What did we spec?

   JN: left and right work as well.

   MK: it's the note that says only up/down work.

   JK: I'll add that.

   AA: shouldn't up and down move between radio buttons and
   selects?

   BG: Avoid using “select” because people confuse it with
   aria-selected.

   MK: Should we clarify that one particular note?
   ... The second one.
   ... Clarify: all have tabindex=-1 except for first one.
   ... Clarify where links after heading goes

   MB: Should it say “div element with role”?

   MK: In the guide we would write it more general. In this case
   you're describing the code; so doesn't really matter.
   ... Leaning toward being more specific.

   MB: Agree.

   MK: We had this high contrast discussion where we talked about
   examples with generated content. And some with inline content.
   ... Should we say something about generated content/background
   images with High Contrast?
   ... Generated content is often used for radio buttons and
   checkboxes.

   * long discussion about whether we should address generated
   content usage in the guide *

   MB: I'll add generated content flavoured radio buttons to this
   example after Jemma is done with it.

   MK: OK, I'll create a bug now.

   <mck> 29336 – Determine how to address high contrast mode
   compatibility of images in custom widget development

   <mck> [11]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29336

     [11] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29336

Continue review of sections 2.12 Dialog (Tooltip) and 2.22 Popup Help
(aka Bubble Help)

   MK: Last week we were on the verge of eliminating the tooltip.

   <mck>
   [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#popuphelp

     [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#popuphelp

   MK: Is there anything in 2.22 we want to save?

   MB: I don't see anything.

   JN: I see nothing of value in this.

   [13]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29327

     [13] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29327

Update pattern work assignments and status
[14]https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Pattern
s-Status

     [14] https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status

   <jemma> [15]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125/commits

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125/commits

   [16]https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125

     [16] https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/125

   <jemma> this is last commit I made today.
   [17]https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/e768891ef7447d3ca94
   64eedbf9194541b2b2020

     [17] https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria/commit/e768891ef7447d3ca9464eedbf9194541b2b2020

   JN: looks good to me.

   MB: +1
   ... Merged.

   <jemma> :-)

   <jemma> mk: ie. div of combo box, have editable content, with
   aria own control- you can not use the combo box as list(combo
   box value) and input value at the same time.

   MK: You can have another div containing the combobox element
   that you can style
   ... I'm saying there should be an element with role=combobox

   BG: I'm saying it shouldn't have to

   <jemma> me/ I am not sure whether I understand the combo box
   issue.

   MK: It doesn't say how you should specify the value of a
   combobox
   ... I'm trying to clear up the meaning of the autocomplete
   part.

   <jemma> it seems combo box is complex issue

   MK: complexity might be caused by spec.
   ... This discussion might be out of scope for this meeting.

   <jemma> s me/ /msg

   MK: Hope you'll participate in discussion when it comes up.

   BG: Yes I will.

   Zakim make minutes

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Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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