Re: article navigation

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> So, one of the things we have added is a "feed" role that takes a list of articles. So, at least in this instance you know that articles within a feed are part of the feed.
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Why does the user need to care about that? Seems like main > article or list > listitem would suffice. 
> The user needs to be able jump between articles within a feed without and still be able to navigate the contents of each article.
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This is a case for making article a landmark, whether or not it's in another type of container role.
> Facebook will be implementing for its infinite feeds. They implemented these "J" and "k" keyboard commands to navigate among the articles (you can try it on Facebook). This won't fly in a mobile touch device so I was hoping we could leverage something you were doing for articles. ... however if you have suggestions about how that could be done on a mobile device that would be great. 
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> I have a product team who can already make use of feeds. I am not sure if you looked at it yet but here it is:
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> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#feed <http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#feed>
I looked at it. I don't see a compelling case for feed > article over just loose articles in the page or main...

James
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> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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> James Craig ---11/30/2015 08:56:44 PM---> On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> wrote: >
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> From:	James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> To:	Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
> Cc:	PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, public-aria@w3.org
> Date:	11/30/2015 08:56 PM
> Subject:	Re: article navigation
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> > On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> > Hi James, 
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> > Does VoiceOver have a gesture navigation capability to move among articles on iOS?
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> No. VO has a rotor for landmarks, but article is not a landmark. 
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> Also, are you referring to ARIA's article role, or HTML's <article> element? IIRC, there was also some concern that the <article> element was being overused, and a direct 1:1 mapping to the ARIA article role would result in false positives. We'd need heuristics in the engines to snuff of the extraneous articles like we have for layout tables and listitis overuse.
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> James
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> PS. "feed" seems a out-of-scope for a 1.1 criteria, does it not? Why is a list of articles in a feed more or less semantic than a list of article outside a feed? Does the end user need to know about the difference? If not, cut it.
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