RE: Regarding aria-details and current support?

aria-details is clear. No questions about that. If you read carefully below I didn’t question that.

I can tell you what is confusing: having no clear guidance on roledescription usage vs. description usage. As I wrote.

Don’t you agree that we need more examples what NOT to do with both of them?

Stefan

From: Aaron Leventhal <aleventhal@google.com>
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Subject: Re: Regarding aria-details and current support?

>  aria-description is also poor man’s replacement fallback for aria-roledescription

I'm not sure what that sentence means Stefan! Feel free to use it even if you are rich :)

We worked pretty hard to update the ARIA spec itself with information on when to use aria-description/describedby, aria-details and aria-roledecription. Stefan, maybe you should review that and see whether there is anything vague or confusing.

Aaron





On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 11:05 AM Schnabel, Stefan <stefan.schnabel@sap.com<mailto:stefan.schnabel@sap.com>> wrote:
As I understand from previous group discussions, aria-description is also poor man’s replacement fallback for aria-roledescription (which is considered as being evil in many cases).

Therefore it is of interest if aria-description is already supported IN PRACTICE on any role in case role name should be left untouched.

Also APG info and guidance when to take what, of course.


  *   Stefan

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Subject: Re: Regarding aria-details and current support?

We also need to look at more test cases for aria-description, now that it's more universal, right?
There are use cases for aria-description to exist on generic containers. Also, it needs to work well in various screen reader modes, and in editing contexts.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 10:14 PM Matt King <a11ythinker@gmail.com<mailto:a11ythinker@gmail.com>> wrote:
The only thing I know definitively is that We don’t yet have any aria-details test cases or tests written for it in APG and aria-at. Help is wanted.

Matt

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Subject: Regarding aria-details and current support?

Hi,
Does anyone have any public behavior and support information for aria-details and whether it is sufficiently supported by browsers and screen readers as yet?
Thanks,
Bryan