Re: Argumentation Schema

Richard,

Thank you for the information; I updated https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schemas/ to link to the Quotation schema and to the GitHub discussion.

Quote is intended to resemble ClaimReview which references a document and provides a portion of it as text, itemReviewed and claimReviewed. I’m hoping to be able to reference documents by URL and to provide a portion of them. The documentation for quotation (http://pending.webschemas.org/Quotation) says to use isBasedOn to link to source/origin.

To your point, options for agreement/disagreement quotes include:


  1.
Two subtypes of Quote/Quotation, one for agreement, the other disagreement, each with rationale.
  2.
One subtype of Quote/Quotation with a Boolean property and rationale.
  3.
One subtype of Quote/Quotation with an enumerated property, which includes agreement and disagreement, and rationale.

An important point is rationale. Rationale provides expressiveness and features beyond merely liking or disliking, beyond thumbs up or thumbs down.

I can enhance the documentation or description of SchemeApplication.

SchemeApplication is envisioned as extended to specify bridges of reasoning from subjects to objects. At https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schemas/<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schemas/,> , I am broaching whether there are two main types of bridges, those where the subject supports the object and those where it countersupports the object, or, otherwise phrased, support and attack.

For example, LogicalInference might be a support-type bridge extending SchemeApplication, or it might extend Support which extends SchemeApplication.

One course of action is to extend the abstract type of SchemeApplication with a few subtypes from argument mapping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_map); there might be two subtypes, support and attack, or more subtypes, the relationships between content on argument maps. Another course of action is to specify more fine-grained bridges of reasoning.
The CustomSchemeApplication is intended to indicate that the collection might not be exhaustive.


Best regards,
Adam

From: Richard Wallis<mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
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To: Adam Sobieski<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>
Cc: public-schemaorg@w3.org<mailto:public-schemaorg@w3.org>, public-argumentation@w3.org<mailto:public-argumentation@w3.org>

I think some examples could be helpful in understanding here.

Is Quote intended to be a subtype of CreativeWork?

Are AgreeQuote & DisagreeQuote really necessary.  Would a single type (named QualifiedQuote ?) with a boolean property agree not be simpler?

Definitely need some examples to understand what is intended by SchemeAplication. “Specifies a relation between a subject and object” could be a generic description of RDF.


There is also already a proposal for a Quotation type which is subject of a longstanding issue on GitHub (#271<https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/271>) and a pending example Quotation<http://pending.webschemas.org/Quotation>.  This has a broader definition that will cover spoken as well as written quotes.  There is also a discussion in that thread as to the benefits of using Quote or Quotation.  We should not lose sight of the needs in that thread as well as what is being discussed/proposed here.

~Richard
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On 13 January 2017 at 02:24, Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Schema.org Community Group,
Argumentation Community Group,


Quote — A quotation.
itemQuoted: CreativeWork<http://schema.org/CreativeWork> or URL
quote: Text<http://schema.org/Text>

AgreeQuote — Extends Quote<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/>. A quotation which is agreed with.
rationale: Text<http://schema.org/Text> or SchemeApplication<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or ItemList<https://schema.org/ItemList>

DisagreeQuote — Extends Quote<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/>. A quotation which is disagreed with.
rationale: Text<http://schema.org/Text> or SchemeApplication<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or ItemList<https://schema.org/ItemList>

SchemeApplication — Specifies a relation between a subject and object.
subject: Text<http://schema.org/Text> or Quote<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or SchemeApplication<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or ItemList<https://schema.org/ItemList> or URI
object: Text<http://schema.org/Text> or Quote<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or SchemeApplication<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/> or ItemList<https://schema.org/ItemList> or URI

CustomSchemeApplication — Extends SchemeApplication<https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schema/>.
relation: URI

https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/schemas/

Best regards,
Adam Sobieski
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https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
https://www.w3.org/community/collaboration/

From: Adam Sobieski<mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>
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Schema.org Community Group,
Argumentation Community Group,

Here are some initial thoughts with regard to argumentation schema. Feedback and comments are welcomed toward the new schema and toward a specification document, an Argumentation Community Group Report.

Quote: text from a document at a URL
  itemQuoted: Thing or URL
?  quote: Text

AgreeQuote: extends Quote; text from a document at a URL which is agreed with, includes text rationale for agreement
  rationale: Text

DisagreeQuote: extends Quote; text from a document at a URL which is disagreed with, includes text rationale for disagreement
  rationale: Text

“Text or Quote”: document text or text from a document at a URL (maps with AIF2 Statement)
“Text or Quote or SchemeApplication”: (maps with AIF2 Node)

SchemeApplication: Relates two nodes (maps with AIF2 SchemeApplication)
  subject: Text or Quote or SchemeApplication or URI
  object: Text or Quote or SchemeApplication or URI

CustomSchemeApplication: (extends SchemeApplication)
  relation: URI


Best regards,
Adam Sobieski
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https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/
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