Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards

Thanks, George. I hate being your conflict, but I'd hate doing this
without you even more!

Janina

George Kerscher writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a conflict, but I think I can get in to BISG in the half hour after
> the APA call.
> 
> Best
> George
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 10:12 AM
> To: kerscher@montana.com
> Cc: 'Gottfried Zimmermann' <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>; 'Gregorio Pellegrino -
> Fondazione LIA' <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; 'Avneesh Singh'
> <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> <public-apa@w3.org>; 'Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA'
> <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> Subject: Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
> standards
> 
> George:
> 
> APA is expecting Epub will be our only topic. In other words we expect to
> take the full hour. It sounds like you have a conflict on the 19th?
> 
> George Kerscher writes:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a 90 minute call with BISG on accessibility metadata. I could 
> > let them know that I will be delayed and join them after our call. If 
> > we could get our discussion in first, that would work for me.
> > 
> > Best
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 7:55 AM
> > To: Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>
> > Cc: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; Avneesh Singh 
> > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > <public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> > <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> > Subject: Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > standards
> > 
> > Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> > > Unfortunately, i have many conflicts with APA calls in the next weeks.
> > Dear All:
> > 
> > Gottfried is suggesting the 19th. Does that work for everyone? Please 
> > reply all regarding your availability for 10 AM Boston time on 
> > Wednesday
> > 19 June. Here's a Time and Date link to provide the localized time:
> > 
> > http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=APA+Teleconferenc
> > e&iso=
> > 20240619T10&p1=43&ah=1
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks all!
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > > 
> > > But I can make the APA call on Wed June 19 if that helps.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Gottfried
> > > 
> > > Von: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> > > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2024 08:29
> > > An: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> > > Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; Gottfried Zimmermann 
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > > <public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> > > <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> > > Betreff: R: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards
> > > 
> > > Dear Janina,
> > > as anticipated we are available to talk about this topic at one of 
> > > the
> > upcoming APA meetings, could you please tell us what are the dates of 
> > the appointments you have set in June?
> > > 
> > > Thank you,
> > > Gregorio
> > > 
> > > Da: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > > Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 13:40
> > > A: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> > > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@fo
> > > nd
> > > azionelia.org>>
> > > Cc: Avneesh Singh 
> > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>,
> > > 'Gottfried Zimmermann' 
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>, 'W3C WAI 
> > > Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>,
> > > Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> > > <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org<mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fo
> > > nd
> > > azionelia.org>>
> > > Oggetto: Re: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards Thanks to all on this thread. Early June is certainly 
> > > possible
> > for APA.
> > > 
> > > Please note that APA will want more than an informational update. 
> > > We'd like to see outcomes that result in accessible content. It's 
> > > unfortunately hard to see WCAG level A from a recommendation that 
> > > closed long before HTML 5 work even began in W3C as adequate more 
> > > than a decade after HTML 5 became a recommendation in W3C. I 
> > > understand we're talking about epub and not HTML. I'm trying to 
> > > emphasize how old 2.0
> > is.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA writes:
> > > > Thank you Avneesh for involving me in this discussion, with my 
> > > > colleague
> > Cristina we would be happy to update you during one of the upcoming 
> > APA calls about the state of the art on the work on standards for 
> > ebooks in European Accessibility Act. These weeks we are caught up 
> > with several book fairs and work travels, so we would ask the chairs 
> > to schedule the meeting in early June, if possible.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Gregorio
> > > >
> > > > Da: Avneesh Singh
> > > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > > > Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 08:07
> > > > A: 'Gottfried Zimmermann' 
> > > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>, 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>, Gregorio 
> > > > Pellegrino
> > > > - Fondazione LIA
> > > > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@
> > > > fo
> > > > ndazionelia.org>>
> > > > Oggetto: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > > standards
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for bringing in this perspective.
> > > > I am copying Gregorio, our team member who is in discussion with 
> > > > EU for
> > these requirements.
> > > > Gregorio, Please go through the following email from Gottfried.
> > > > One of the main goal of EPUB Accessibility 1.1 was to align it with
> EAA.
> > But, if there are still possibilities of such complexities,  then we 
> > should figure out appropriate solution.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Avneesh
> > > > From: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:29 AM
> > > > To: Avneesh Singh
> > > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>; 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > > > Subject: AW: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > > standards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Citing https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/REC-epub-a11y-11-20230525/, 
> > > > section
> > 3.3.1 WCAG conformance requirements:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To conform to this specification, an EPUB publication:
> > > >
> > > > ·         MUST, at the minimum, meet the requirements of WCAG 2.0
> > [wcag20], but it is strongly recommended that it meet the requirements 
> > of the latest recommended version of WCAG 2.
> > > >
> > > > ·         MUST, for whichever version of WCAG 2 selected, meet the
> > requirements of Level A, but it is strongly recommended that it meet 
> > the requirements of Level AA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For legal conformance, the MUST statement above is the only legal
> > requirement; any recommendation is not legally relevant, even if it is 
> > strong. The publishers in Europe will resort to a minimum conformance, 
> > which is conformance to WCAG 2.0 single-A.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Gottfried
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: Avneesh Singh
> > > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.s
> > > > g@ gmail.com%3cmailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>>
> > > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Mai 2024 13:48
> > > > An: 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > > > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>; Gottfried Zimmermann 
> > > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann
> > > > @z i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> > > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.o
> > > > rg
> > > > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> > > > Betreff: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > > standards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ">   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
> > whereas
> > > >
> > > > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I should correct this misperception.
> > > >
> > > > EPUB Accessibility 1.1 refers to the latest version of WCAG, which 
> > > > is
> > currently 2.2. In case there is WCAG 2.3 or 2.4 in future, EPUB 
> > accessibility will refer to it.
> > > >
> > > > We do allow EPUB Accessibility 1.1 to refer to WCAG 2.0, in case 
> > > > some
> > publisher needs it, but it is not a recommended practice.
> > > >
> > > > We fixed this in EPUB Accessibility 1.1, released in May 2023.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Avneesh
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: Janina Sajka
> > > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > > > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:01 PM
> > > >
> > > > To: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann
> > > > @z i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> > > >
> > > > Cc: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures 
> > > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.o
> > > > rg
> > > > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> > > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > > standards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Gottfried:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We can and should discuss this topic in APA. Let's look for a 
> > > > suitable
> > date a bit later in May? Perhaps 15 May? Later in the month also works.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For context please note that APA is also requested to review a 
> > > > fixed
> > layout Epub draft specification here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/fxl-a11y/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A preliminary discussion of this Epub spec occured in APA on 17 
> > > > April
> > and is logged here:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-apa-minutes.html#t05
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Note we were considering whether the json graph data visualization
> > approach developed in a W3C Community Group might provide a solution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Janina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi APA,
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > i want to bring to your attention a problem with regards to 
> > > > > ebook
> > > >
> > > > accessibility that we are facing in Europe next year, when the 
> > > > European
> > Accessibility Act kicks in.  The point is that the EAA makes a 
> > difference between ebooks in EPUB3 vs. ebooks in PDF. Therefore, the 
> > two following standards are relevant, when it comes to compliance of
> ebooks to EAA:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >   *   For ebooks in EPUB3: W3C EPUB Accessibility
> > > >
> > > > 1.1<EPUB%20Accessibility%201.1>
> > > >
> > > > >   *   For ebooks in PDF: EN 301 549 v4.1.1 (coming)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Here is a summary of the main differences between the two standards:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
> > whereas
> > > >
> > > > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA
> > > >
> > > > >   *   EPUB Accessibility includes metadata for discoverability, but
> EN
> > 301
> > > >
> > > > 549 not currently.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > A group of accessibility experts (including me) has met a couple 
> > > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > times
> > > >
> > > > to discuss this problem. The result of our discussions is attached 
> > > > as
> > "Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards".  We want 
> > a consolidation of standards for ebook accessibility, so that 
> > publishers do not need to make a difference between ebooks in EPUB3 
> > and ebooks in PDF format.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Can we discuss this in one of our upcoming meetings?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > > Gottfried
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> > > > Il presente messaggio, e ogni eventuale documento a questo 
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> > ad esclusivo utilizzo del destinatario in indirizzo. Chiunque 
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> > ed è pregato di darne notizia immediatamente al mittente oltre che 
> > cancellare il messaggio e i suoi eventuali allegati dal proprio sistema.
> > > > Ai sensi del Regolamento UE 2016/679, il Titolare del trattamento
> > garantisce la massima riservatezza ed il pieno rispetto degli obblighi 
> > previsti dalla normativa nazionale e comunitaria in merito alla 
> > protezione dei dati personali.
> > > >
> > > > This message, and any attached file transmitted with it, contains
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> > the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of this 
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> > immediately to the sender and to delete this message and any file attached
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> > > > In accordance with EU Reg. 2016/679 (GDPR), the Data Controller
> > guarantees the maximum level of confidentiality and full respect of 
> > all obligations provided for by the national and the EU legislation 
> > currently in force with regard to protection of personal data..
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
> > > Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> > > 
> > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > > 
> > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
> > Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> > 
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> > 
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
> Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/
> 

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Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Linux Foundation Fellow
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/

Received on Wednesday, 5 June 2024 18:19:25 UTC