RE: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards

Hi,

I have a conflict, but I think I can get in to BISG in the half hour after
the APA call.

Best
George


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 10:12 AM
To: kerscher@montana.com
Cc: 'Gottfried Zimmermann' <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>; 'Gregorio Pellegrino -
Fondazione LIA' <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; 'Avneesh Singh'
<avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
<public-apa@w3.org>; 'Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA'
<cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
Subject: Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility
standards

George:

APA is expecting Epub will be our only topic. In other words we expect to
take the full hour. It sounds like you have a conflict on the 19th?

George Kerscher writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a 90 minute call with BISG on accessibility metadata. I could 
> let them know that I will be delayed and join them after our call. If 
> we could get our discussion in first, that would work for me.
> 
> Best
> George
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 7:55 AM
> To: Gottfried Zimmermann <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>
> Cc: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>; Avneesh Singh 
> <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> <public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> Subject: Re: AW: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> standards
> 
> Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> > Unfortunately, i have many conflicts with APA calls in the next weeks.
> Dear All:
> 
> Gottfried is suggesting the 19th. Does that work for everyone? Please 
> reply all regarding your availability for 10 AM Boston time on 
> Wednesday
> 19 June. Here's a Time and Date link to provide the localized time:
> 
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=APA+Teleconferenc
> e&iso=
> 20240619T10&p1=43&ah=1
> 
> 
> Thanks all!
> 
> Janina
> 
> > 
> > But I can make the APA call on Wed June 19 if that helps.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Gottfried
> > 
> > Von: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Juni 2024 08:29
> > An: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net>
> > Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; Gottfried Zimmermann 
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de>; 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'
> > <public-apa@w3.org>; Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> > <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org>
> > Betreff: R: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > standards
> > 
> > Dear Janina,
> > as anticipated we are available to talk about this topic at one of 
> > the
> upcoming APA meetings, could you please tell us what are the dates of 
> the appointments you have set in June?
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Gregorio
> > 
> > Da: 'Janina Sajka' <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 13:40
> > A: Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA 
> > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@fo
> > nd
> > azionelia.org>>
> > Cc: Avneesh Singh 
> > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>,
> > 'Gottfried Zimmermann' 
> > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>, 'W3C WAI 
> > Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>,
> > Cristina Mussinelli - Fondazione LIA 
> > <cristina.mussinelli@fondazionelia.org<mailto:cristina.mussinelli@fo
> > nd
> > azionelia.org>>
> > Oggetto: Re: R: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > standards Thanks to all on this thread. Early June is certainly 
> > possible
> for APA.
> > 
> > Please note that APA will want more than an informational update. 
> > We'd like to see outcomes that result in accessible content. It's 
> > unfortunately hard to see WCAG level A from a recommendation that 
> > closed long before HTML 5 work even began in W3C as adequate more 
> > than a decade after HTML 5 became a recommendation in W3C. I 
> > understand we're talking about epub and not HTML. I'm trying to 
> > emphasize how old 2.0
> is.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA writes:
> > > Thank you Avneesh for involving me in this discussion, with my 
> > > colleague
> Cristina we would be happy to update you during one of the upcoming 
> APA calls about the state of the art on the work on standards for 
> ebooks in European Accessibility Act. These weeks we are caught up 
> with several book fairs and work travels, so we would ask the chairs 
> to schedule the meeting in early June, if possible.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Gregorio
> > >
> > > Da: Avneesh Singh
> > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > > Data: mercoledì, 8 maggio 2024 alle ore 08:07
> > > A: 'Gottfried Zimmermann' 
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>, 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>, Gregorio 
> > > Pellegrino
> > > - Fondazione LIA
> > > <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org<mailto:gregorio.pellegrino@
> > > fo
> > > ndazionelia.org>>
> > > Oggetto: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards
> > >
> > > Thanks for bringing in this perspective.
> > > I am copying Gregorio, our team member who is in discussion with 
> > > EU for
> these requirements.
> > > Gregorio, Please go through the following email from Gottfried.
> > > One of the main goal of EPUB Accessibility 1.1 was to align it with
EAA.
> But, if there are still possibilities of such complexities,  then we 
> should figure out appropriate solution.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Avneesh
> > > From: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 11:29 AM
> > > To: Avneesh Singh
> > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
> > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org>>; 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> > > Subject: AW: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards
> > >
> > >
> > > Citing https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/REC-epub-a11y-11-20230525/, 
> > > section
> 3.3.1 WCAG conformance requirements:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To conform to this specification, an EPUB publication:
> > >
> > > ·         MUST, at the minimum, meet the requirements of WCAG 2.0
> [wcag20], but it is strongly recommended that it meet the requirements 
> of the latest recommended version of WCAG 2.
> > >
> > > ·         MUST, for whichever version of WCAG 2 selected, meet the
> requirements of Level A, but it is strongly recommended that it meet 
> the requirements of Level AA.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For legal conformance, the MUST statement above is the only legal
> requirement; any recommendation is not legally relevant, even if it is 
> strong. The publishers in Europe will resort to a minimum conformance, 
> which is conformance to WCAG 2.0 single-A.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Gottfried
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Avneesh Singh
> > > <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.s
> > > g@ gmail.com%3cmailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>>
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Mai 2024 13:48
> > > An: 'Janina Sajka' 
> > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>; Gottfried Zimmermann 
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann
> > > @z i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> > > Cc: 'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures' 
> > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.o
> > > rg
> > > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> > > Betreff: RE: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ">   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
> whereas
> > >
> > > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I should correct this misperception.
> > >
> > > EPUB Accessibility 1.1 refers to the latest version of WCAG, which 
> > > is
> currently 2.2. In case there is WCAG 2.3 or 2.4 in future, EPUB 
> accessibility will refer to it.
> > >
> > > We do allow EPUB Accessibility 1.1 to refer to WCAG 2.0, in case 
> > > some
> publisher needs it, but it is not a recommended practice.
> > >
> > > We fixed this in EPUB Accessibility 1.1, released in May 2023.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Avneesh
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Janina Sajka
> > > <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.
> > > net%3cmailto:janina@rednote.net>>>
> > >
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 5:01 PM
> > >
> > > To: Gottfried Zimmermann
> > > <gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de<mailto:gzimmermann
> > > @z i7n.de%3cmailto:gzimmermann@zi7n.de>>>
> > >
> > > Cc: W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures 
> > > <public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.org<mailto:public-apa@w3.o
> > > rg
> > > %3cmailto:public-apa@w3.org>>>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility 
> > > standards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Gottfried:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We can and should discuss this topic in APA. Let's look for a 
> > > suitable
> date a bit later in May? Perhaps 15 May? Later in the month also works.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For context please note that APA is also requested to review a 
> > > fixed
> layout Epub draft specification here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/fxl-a11y/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A preliminary discussion of this Epub spec occured in APA on 17 
> > > April
> and is logged here:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.w3.org/2024/04/17-apa-minutes.html#t05
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Note we were considering whether the json graph data visualization
> approach developed in a W3C Community Group might provide a solution.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gottfried Zimmermann writes:
> > >
> > > > Hi APA,
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > i want to bring to your attention a problem with regards to 
> > > > ebook
> > >
> > > accessibility that we are facing in Europe next year, when the 
> > > European
> Accessibility Act kicks in.  The point is that the EAA makes a 
> difference between ebooks in EPUB3 vs. ebooks in PDF. Therefore, the 
> two following standards are relevant, when it comes to compliance of
ebooks to EAA:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >   *   For ebooks in EPUB3: W3C EPUB Accessibility
> > >
> > > 1.1<EPUB%20Accessibility%201.1>
> > >
> > > >   *   For ebooks in PDF: EN 301 549 v4.1.1 (coming)
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Here is a summary of the main differences between the two standards:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >   *   EPUB Accessibility is based on WCAG 2.0 A (as requirement),
> whereas
> > >
> > > EN 301 549 v4.1.1 will be based on WCAG 2.2 AA
> > >
> > > >   *   EPUB Accessibility includes metadata for discoverability, but
EN
> 301
> > >
> > > 549 not currently.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > A group of accessibility experts (including me) has met a couple 
> > > > of
> > >
> > > > times
> > >
> > > to discuss this problem. The result of our discussions is attached 
> > > as
> "Manifest on convergence of e-book accessibility standards".  We want 
> a consolidation of standards for ebook accessibility, so that 
> publishers do not need to make a difference between ebooks in EPUB3 
> and ebooks in PDF format.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Can we discuss this in one of our upcoming meetings?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > > Gottfried
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> Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/
> 
> 

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Janina Sajka (she/her/hers)
Accessibility Consultant https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

Linux Foundation Fellow
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/board-of-directors-2/

Received on Wednesday, 5 June 2024 17:48:49 UTC