Re: Agenda: APA WEEKLY Teleconference; Wednesday 1 March at 1500Z

Hi all,

Thanks to Paul for co-scribing. The minutes are at https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-apa-minutes.html and repeated below in plain text for convenience.

Best regards,


Matthew

                             – DRAFT –
                       APA Weekly Teleconference

01 Mar 2023

   [2]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-apa-irc


Attendees

   Present
          Fazio, Fredrik, Gottfried, janina, Lionel_Wolberger,
          matatk, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, PaulG, present, Roy

   Regrets
          Alisa_Smith, Fredrik_Fischer

   Chair
          Janina

   Scribe
          matatk, PaulG

Contents

    1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
    2. [4]Coming Clock Changes https://www.timeanddate.com/time/

       dst/2023a.html
    3. [5]Agenda Review & Announcements
    4. [6]APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/

       Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html
    5. [7]Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread https://
       lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html
    6. [8]CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

    7. [9]Agenda Review & Announcements
    8. [10]APA Charter CfC Reminder https://lists.w3.org/Archives/

       Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html
    9. [11]New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/

       issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+
       requested%22
         1. [12]Media Working Group Rechartering
   10. [13]Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/

       a11y-request/issues
         1. [14]Digital Publishing WAI-ARIA Module 1.1 and Digital
            Publishing Accessibility API Mappings 1.1
         2. [15]PNG 3rd edition
   11. [16]A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/

       horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
   12. [17]Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/

       track/actions/open
   13. [18]Task Force & Deliverables Updates
         1. [19]Maturity Model
         2. [20]Pronunciation
   14. [21]Other Business
   15. [22]be done

Meeting minutes

  Agenda Review & Announcements

   janina: there are 2 key announcements which have their own
   agenda items
   … any additional announcements?

  Coming Clock Changes [23]https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/

  2023a.html

     [23] https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2023a.html


   janina: through March, 11-12 times change in America and calls
   will be an hour earlier until times change in Europe

  Agenda Review & Announcements

  APA Charter CfC Reminder [24]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/

  public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html

     [24] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html


   janina: reminder to CfC for our charter draft is open until
   midnight tonight

  Proposed WoT Comments & Matter/Thread [25]https://lists.w3.org/

  Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html

     [25] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jan/0000.html


   janina: there's a new spec affecting WoT to certify devices
   that would solve some of our issues

   Gottfried: I'm not sure how much we can do about Matter. It's
   going to be the standard. Thread is the low-level standard for
   transmission.
   … WoT is sort of a competitor to Matter

   janina: it's from a separate organization but it might be
   helpful to the problems we've identified we call "middleware"
   … aggregation technology should be helped by it

   Gottfried: I haven't looked into Matter in depth, the issues
   remain the same but the technology has advanced and industry
   seems ready to collaborate
   … I think the Matter standards is just a roof on the other
   standards
   … to allow better interop
   … do we plan to talk to Matter experts or WoT developers?

   janina: I think we should take our concerns to WoT as the
   experts we've worked with before
   … we can ask them to clarify or to have a joint meeting on our
   concerns

   Gottfried: I still see this as a competitor standard
   … I don't think there's space for two

   Gottfried: I support talking to WoT as they probably have a
   better idea of how they stand compared to Matter

   Gottfried: I'm thinking about how you find devices in public
   spaces which is mostly neglected by developers
   … which affects accessibility

   janina: I'll take an action to send a note to them

   niklasegger: I agree that Matter could be the "winner" here
   after doing some research. Security is a big reason for it.

   Gottfried: it could get extended to work in public spaces

   Lionel_Wolberger: I would add that Meta has an unsolved problem
   to present the data of the environment around us
   … WoT will mean actual physical interaction in space not just
   "I see WiFi near me"

  CSS Update (Paul) [26]https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues


     [26] https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues


   [27]w3c/csswg-drafts#7761

     [27] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761


   PaulG: This is how outline style differs across browsers due to
   a fuzzy part of the spec. This can affect the focus ring.
   … The group resolved to change the spec: [28]w3c/
   csswg-drafts#7761 (comment)
   … This doesn't conflict with anything in WCAG. They've done
   research to ensure it won't break accessibility. Should be more
   consistent across UAs as a result.
   … There will be more debate on this as UAs implement it, but
   the change is due to happen.

     [28] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7761#issuecomment-1440512109


  Agenda Review & Announcements

  APA Charter CfC Reminder [29]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/

  public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html

     [29] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023Feb/0025.html


  New Charters Review [30]https://github.com/w3c/strategy/

  issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%2
  2

     [30] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Horizontal+review+requested"

    Media Working Group Rechartering

   <Roy> - charter: [31]https://w3c.github.io/charter-media-wg/


     [31] https://w3c.github.io/charter-media-wg/


   Roy: The charter mentions accessibility and APA.

   matatk: I like this part "Each specification should contain a
   section on accessibility that describes..." :-)

   janina: We've had a long and good relationship with this group,
   going back to HTML5 developent.

   Roy: They noted the FAST, too.

   janina: I have no concerns; others?

   <Lionel_Wolberger> +1 great that the FAST is explicitly listed

  Explicit Review Requests [32]https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/

  issues

     [32] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues


    Digital Publishing WAI-ARIA Module 1.1 and Digital Publishing
    Accessibility API Mappings 1.1

   <Roy> - issue: [33]w3c/a11y-request#55

     [33] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/55


   <Roy> - URL of spec:

   <Roy> - [34]https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/

   WD-dpub-aria-1.1-20230222/

     [34] https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aria-1.1-20230222/


   <Roy> - [35]https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/

   WD-dpub-aam-1.1-20230223/

     [35] https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/WD-dpub-aam-1.1-20230223/


   Roy: They want to publish these as CR next month.

   janina: We are generally OK with these, as we know ARIA knows
   their stuff, unless anyone wants to dive into these?
   … This is about mapping ARIA semantics into DPUB, and the AAM
   is about how those mappigns are instantiated across different
   platforms.

   matatk: I'm looking out of interest (relating to the Landmarks
   extension).

   <Lionel_Wolberger> The landmark extension is available at
   [36]https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/

   landmark-navigation-via-k/ddpokpbjopmeeiiolheejjpkonlkklgp

     [36] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/landmark-navigation-via-k/ddpokpbjopmeeiiolheejjpkonlkklgp


    PNG 3rd edition

   <Roy> - TR: [37]https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-png-3-20221025/


     [37] https://www.w3.org/TR/2022/WD-png-3-20221025/


   <Roy> - tracking: [38]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/

   Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)

     [38] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics_(PNG)_Specification_(Third_Edition)

   matatk: Re Landmarks, you can get it for multiple browsers,
   too: [39]https://matatk.agrip.org.uk/landmarks/ - On Firefox
   (and Opera) it has a sidebar.

     [39] https://matatk.agrip.org.uk/landmarks/


   <Roy> [40]w3c/a11y-request#42

     [40] https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/42


   matatk: Wanted to confirm there was a way to do textual
   metadata (remember our SVG Native review); according to their
   FAST report, there is: [41]w3c/PNG-spec#228 (comment)

     [41] https://github.com/w3c/PNG-spec/issues/228#issuecomment-1279341797


   janina: Sounds like we're good with this one.

   Roy: Will close

  A11y Review Comment Tracker [42]https://w3c.github.io/

  horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

     [42] https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review


   Roy: Nothing new this week, and nothing on TR this week.

  Actions Checkin (Specs) [43]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/

  open

     [43] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open


   matatk: [44]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/

   2023Feb/0035.html

     [44] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Feb/0035.html

   matatk: Fredrik's review of EditContext API - [45]https://
   www.w3.org/TR/edit-context/

     [45] https://www.w3.org/TR/edit-context/


   matatk: Sounds overall very good from Fredrik's review, but it
   lacks an accessibility considerations section.
   … We should ask for one if there's no obvious parent spec?

   janina: Fredrik's already written a proposed section; we could
   just ask them to include that.

   matatk: +1

   janina: I'm inclined to ask Fredrik to ask the editors of that
   document to include his proposed section, noting that we're
   finding it increasingly useful to have these appendices.

   janina: Any objections?

   Roy: I think we can file an issue in their GitHub repo. This is
   a FPWD FYI.

   janina: +1; thanks Roy

  Task Force & Deliverables Updates

    Maturity Model

   janina: Several new members! They're working through issues.
   Not sure if there's yet a sense of when a new milestone WD will
   be published, maybe soon.

    Pronunciation

   janina: Activity is ongoing to engage with ARIA regarding their
   latest proposal, and then with AT vendors regarding the group's
   proposed course of action.

  Other Business

   Roy: Will we have a WG meeting during CSUN week?

   janina: TFs can decide for themselves. Is anyone aware of a
   reason for APA to _not_ meet?

   <Roy> [46]"Secure the Web Forward" Worskhop

     [46] https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/370


   janina: We'll meet during CSUN week.

   Roy: Does anyone have any interest/thoughts on this workshop?

   [47]https://w3c.github.io/secure-the-web-forward-workshop/


     [47] https://w3c.github.io/secure-the-web-forward-workshop/


   matatk: Looks quite low-level.

   janina: Might it relate to CAPTCHA?

   matatk: Not sure yet; seems not; but we can follow it.

  be done

   janina: Thanks all, and to our scribes.

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