Re: Wide Review request for DAPT

Raised as https://github.com/w3c/dapt/issues/167



From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Monday, 17 July 2023 at 17:48
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com>
Cc: "public-apa@w3.org" <public-apa@w3.org>, Atsushi Shimono <atsushi@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Wide Review request for DAPT

Thanks both, I’ll feed this back to TTWG.

For what it’s worth, we spent quite a while trying to find a good name that did not clash with existing names that occupy a similar space, and DAPT appeared to be unused. Since we pronounce it as dee-ay-pee-tee rather than as “adapt” without the leading “a” I don’t think it ever occurred to us that there could be a name clash with a different thing called ADAPT – I can see how others might instinctively voice it differently though, and run into this.

Can I ask though: since a web search for ADAPT in relation to audio description and dubbing shows no results on the two search engines I tried, in the first 4 pages of results, can you spell out what the ADAPT is that could cause unintended confusion here?

Two sort-of-related things I found, neither of which is explicitly about dubbing or audio description:

·         Is it the grassroots disability organisation described at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADAPT ?

·         Or are you referring to WAI-Adapt https://www.w3.org/WAI/adapt/ ?

Thanks for the suggestion of DADPT. I don’t personally like it because I think it’s hard to say, and some degree of “trips off the tongue” is generally a good thing, if it means people can discuss it more easily.

Kind regards,

Nigel


From: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
Date: Monday, 17 July 2023 at 17:14
To: David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com>
Cc: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>, "public-apa@w3.org" <public-apa@w3.org>, Atsushi Shimono <atsushi@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Wide Review request for DAPT

I sadly concur with David Fazio - the naming issue here is problematic.

Nigel, would the TT WG consider renaming this to DADPT (highling the D in Description:  Dubbing and Audio Description Profiles of TTML2)

JF

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:
I would seriously consider renaming this document. It’s confusing for those of us that are familiar with “ADAPT”.

1. DAPT looks like a typo, as if it should be ADAPT

2. The very first sentence begins with A DAPT document. Again, it looks like a typo where a space was included, after the A, by autocorrect. It looks too much like ADAPT.
This message was Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typographic errors.

On Jul 17, 2023, at 9:04 AM, Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk<mailto:nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>> wrote:

Dear Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group,

The W3C Timed Text Working Group (TTWG) (Charter<https://www.w3.org/2023/04/timed-text-wg-charter.html#coordination>) wishes to inform the Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group of the Working Draft of the Dubbing and Audio description Profiles of TTML2 (DAPT) Recommendation at https://www.w3.org/TR/dapt/ .

DAPT is a TTML-based format for the exchange of transcripts and scripts among authoring, prompting and playback tools in the localization and audio description pipelines. A DAPT document is designed to carry pertinent information for dubbing or audio description such as type of script, dialogue, descriptions, timing, metadata, original language transcribed text, translated text, language information, and audio mixing instructions, and to be extensible to allow user-defined annotations or additional future features.

The TTWG invites feedback on DAPT and seeks input on the questions raised as issues within the Working Draft, for example on whether it is important to support direct embedding or external referencing of recorded audio.

If you have feedback, we welcome it either in response to this message, or as issues raised against the DAPT repository, at https://github.com/w3c/dapt/issues/ , and request that any feedback is provided by September 10th 2023.

Please note that we will be making a separate Horizontal Review request to APA WG as required by the Process in due course.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Nigel Megitt, co-Chair W3C TTWG



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