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Re: Machine Learning Workshop overview and talk update

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 14:05:06 -0400
To: Joshue O Connor <joconnor@w3.org>
Cc: "public-apa@w3.org" <public-apa@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20200702180506.GH2663@rednote.net>
I like it. Short, sweet, and to the point.

Hmmm, maybe not "sweet," but ...

Best,

Janina

Joshue O Connor writes:
> Sorry, for top post. I like it!! I'm also clocking out right now and will be
> off tomorrow, so feel free to edit wiki as needed.
> 
> If we were to suggest a talk in the context of ML. We could state something
> like:
> 
> <josh suggested edits>
> 
> Suggested Talk Title:
> Machine Learning: Where is the accessibility nexus for toolkits and the
> frameworks?
> 
> Suggested/Overview
> Do toolkit and framework developers have any assertions they're ready to
> make about accessibility in their
> tools/frameworks? Do they conform to ATAG 2.0 for example? Do the produce
> accessible output? Perhaps even more importantly, can a person with a
> disability use these toolkits and frameworks?
> 
> How can machine learning support these goals?
> </josh suggested edits>
> 
> That may get us in the door, and facilitate some interesting discussion,
> thoughts?
> 
> If we like this idea I could submit it as a talk proposal?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Josh
> 
> > Janina Sajka <mailto:janina@rednote.net>
> > Thursday 2 July 2020 17:13
> > Hi, Josh:
> > 
> > I want to suggest a somewhat different, highly focussed approach.
> > Looking at the conference workshop announcement:
> > 
> > https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/
> > 
> > The goal is "to bring together providers of machine learning toolkits
> > and framework providers with Web platform practitioners."
> > 
> > I would take you or Jason as the latter, the web platform practitioner.
> > 
> > 
> > So, the applications you outline would be created using the output of
> > the other two: the toolkits and the frameworks?
> > 
> > I would like us to bluntly ask whether the toolkit and framework people
> > have any assertions they're ready to make about accessibility in their
> > tools/frameworks. Do they conform to ATAG 2.0? Do the produce accessible
> > output? Perhaps even more importantly, can a pwd "use your toolkit and
> > framework?"
> > 
> > Does this make any sense?
> > 
> > 
> > PS: Also check out:
> > 
> > https://www.wired.com/story/new-startup-no-code-no-problem/
> > 
> > Joshue O Connor <mailto:joconnor@w3.org>
> > Thursday 2 July 2020 12:08
> > Hi Janina, Jason and all,
> > 
> > As per my action yesterday - I've added to the ML workshop document. [1]
> > 
> > Looking at the workshop  outline  they are asking for people to give a
> > talk, and submission deadline is tomorrow if we want to do submit a
> > proposal. At this stage it would only need to be a paragraph, and we
> > would have till the end of July to submit the recorded talk. The
> > question is, what is the APA angle?
> > 
> > This draft paper is really just me riffing on the subject and if there
> > are other perspectives then we should try to capture those today. I do
> > think the questions raised are useful, but some seem over taken by
> > events, as there are already implementations of ML in image recognition
> > and automated testing. I've also touched on the issue of bias, which is
> > very important.
> > 
> > Do we want to give a talk to ask the questions we outline on the wiki or
> > talk about something else - if so what do we want to say and who should
> > give it?
> > 
> > I'm kinda looking at you or Jason for this *grin, but happy to discuss
> > me doing it if I'm clearer on the angle. Tbh, I'm not totally sure at
> > this point and have taken it as far as I can.
> > 
> > I feel it needs a clearer focus, so I'm happy to hear from others.
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > [1] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MLWorkshop2020
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Emerging Web Technology Specialist/Accessibility (WAI/W3C)

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Janina Sajka
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures	http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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