- From: Gottfried Zimmermann \(Lists\) <zimmermann@accesstechnologiesgroup.com>
- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:01:36 +0200
- To: "'W3C WAI Accessible Platform Architectures'" <public-apa@w3.org>
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Best regards,
Gottfried
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Prof. Dr. Gottfried Zimmermann
Access Technologies Group, Germany
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
01 Jul 2020
Attendees
Present
nicolocarp_, janina, Joshue, Matthew_Atkinson, JF,
NeilS, becky, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, Gottfried,
Joshue108
Regrets
Chair
janina
Scribe
Gottfried, JF
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
2. [4]APA Rechartering Begins
3. [5]Task Force Updates (including COGA CfC Update)
4. [6]Web & Machine Learning Workshop
https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/
5. [7]Web Maps Workshop https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/
6. [8]FAST Progress -- Josh
7. [9]Getting Horizontal Review
https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview
8. [10]New Charters Review
https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is
%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
9. [11]new on TR
http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
10. [12]Actions Checkin (Specs)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
11. [13]Community Groups Tracking Redux
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
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<Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
Agenda Review & Announcements
APA Rechartering Begins
Janina: Our charter expires Aug 2021.
... Timeline: Reach our consensus by Jan 2021. Then hand off to
W3C management.
... Initial draft expected in some weeks. Process concerns
should be included.
Amy: What does the charter contain?
Janina: Formal operating license from W3C specifying what we
want to accomplish and how. Every W3C wg has a charter.
<nicolocarp_> Thanks, clarification was needed for me too :)
Charter: [16]https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter
[16] https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter
<MichaelC> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/charter
latest-version link
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/charter
John: Charter tells how much time we get from Michael.
<janina> [18]https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter
[18] https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter
Michael: Level of staff effort. Formal deliverables of the wg.
People in the group have to accept the patent policy attached
to it.
John: Every member - except invited experts - have a rep in the
AC.
Task Force Updates (including COGA CfC Update)
<janina>
[19]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2020J
ul/0000.html
[19]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2020Jul/0000.html
Janina: Two CfC were going. One expired yesterday.
<janina>
[20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2020J
un/0004.html
[20]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2020Jun/0004.html
Janina: We responded on the survey of the WoT wg.
... We expect to have more relationship with them. We want to
bring accessibility in as an essential part of their use cases.
... I went with them through their use cases.
... WoT decides which UC they want to have addressed first. APA
will help in reviewing accessibility aspects.
... This is open until tonight. I will follow up with an email
to the WoT wg.
... Pronunciation is on its way to CR.
... There was agreement on the technical approach, but now the
tf is reconsidering it.
... We plan for another meeting to identify the best approach.
Key players in implementation invited.
<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about XR
Attribute or SSML approach?
Joanmarie: In touch with NVDA developers?
Janina: Yes, trying.
Joanmarie: Maybe Reef Turner? or Mick
Janina: Hard to find a time to meet.
John: Did the research TF publish XAUR?
<Joshue108> [21]https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/
[21] https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/
John: There is now a subgroup of the Silver tf.
Janina: My goal was that emerging technologies would be
accommodated in the development of AG.
John: I have concerns as AC rep.
Michael: We discussed your concerns today. Somebody will get to
you.
Web & Machine Learning Workshop
[22]https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/
[22] https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/
Janina: Jutta Treviranus wrote a draft for the workshop.
... Others from us are interested to attend the workshop as
well.
<Joshue108> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MLWorkshop2020
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MLWorkshop2020
Josh: This is my draft for a position paper. Questions we
should bring in to the workshop.
... I am happy for people to contribute.
... Deadline for submissions is Jul 3.
... Please add your thoughts to this wiki page.
Web Maps Workshop [24]https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/
[24] https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/
Janina: I have a non-W3C entity person, from the American
Printing House for the Blind.
<scribe> ... New map app, including annotation of POIs.
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: They are interested in this workshop.
<Joshue108> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Main_Page
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Main_Page
<Joshue108>
[26]https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/call-for-participation#positio
n-statements
[26]
https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/call-for-participation#position-statements
Josh: I put together a placeholder about this workshop.
... We should aim to have a position paper together by Jul 15.
FAST Progress -- Josh
Josh: No real updates from my side.
Janina: The FAST doc has been seen as relevant to help AG
define its goals.
... It is about how to write an accessible spec.
... The groups that need horizontal review from us should
respond to us on the FAST doc.
Michael: We have a framework on accessible specifications, did
some work on user needs.
... It is starting as an AG subgroup.
... List of functional needs for all WAI guidelines.
... Collecting needs from other sources.
... Expect we will bring it back to APA in the near future.
... The checklist for horizontal review is related to this.
... But it is a different deliverable
Getting Horizontal Review [27]https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview
[27] https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview
Janina: Related to the W3C policy doc on horizontal review.
... It seems important to the management.
Michael: Started with Leonie asking who cares about horizontal
review.
... I18n people identify the same problem as we.
Becky: I agree with i18n that it should be part of the doc and
more formal.
Janina: Run a CfC in APA?
Michael: Not a formal deliverable of the group.
Janina: Anyone disagree?
Michael: Guidance on horizontal review belongs into process
guidance documents of the W3C.
Janina: Hearing no disagreement, we should respond. Becky?
New Charters Review
[28]https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+lab
el%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
[28]
https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:"Horizontal+
review+requested"
Michael: No new charters last week.
new on TR [29]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
[29] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
<MichaelC> [30]Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0
[30] https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/
Michael: They sent a wide review request a month ago. Want our
response quickly.
Janina: I am about half way through. But did not see a problem,
but could not assess the diagram.
... This spec is under the UI level. The spec is not about how
things are presented to the user.
... Got hung up on the identification of humans, but there is
no ui in the spec specified.
Gottfried: Diagram is a dead link in the spec.
Michael: Diagram shows up in the editor's draft.
... There is a description, but i can't tell if it is
sufficient.
Janina: Can we talk them into using accessible SVG?
Michael: Text after the diagram could replicate the diagram's
content.
... We could suggest accessible SVG, but we need to be prepared
to help them do it.
Janina: Anybody willing to do this?
... I think we have no comments on this.
... I will keep reading and then send an email.
<MichaelC> [31]DID Specification Registries
[31] https://www.w3.org/TR/did-spec-registries/
Michael: I think it is unlikely we want to comment on this.
Janina: Agree.
... Namespace for decentralized identifier registrations:
w3.org/ns
... We are okay with this
<MichaelC> [32]Requirements for Chinese Text Layout中文排版需求
[32] https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/
Michael: No need to check on this, right?
Janina: Hearing no objection
Actions Checkin (Specs)
[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
action-2239?
<trackbot> action-2239 -- Gottfried Zimmermann to Review media
queries level 5, [34]https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-5/ --
due 2020-03-18 -- OPEN
[34] https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-5/
<trackbot> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2239
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2239
<inserted> scribe: JF
GZ: a number of years ago at TPAC (Lisbon?) we talke to CSS WG.
Discussed about User Preferences via media queries
this is emerging now - saw some of this in the spec
some aspects are starting to show up
we'd like to see *more* of these types of things - researched
needs emerging from Greg V and Jutta K's work (GPII)
<Gottfried> Table of user preferences:
[36]https://remexlabs.github.io/GTx_HDM1.2aX/gpii-common-terms.
html
[36] https://remexlabs.github.io/GTx_HDM1.2aX/gpii-common-terms.html
Som eof this is only relevant at OS level, but there are a
large number that are relevant to us - i.e. Session timeout
directly related to WCAG, so this would be an excellent
solution for that
Leonie suggested it be brought up later - this is something we
should discuss
JS: one of the tyhings that WoT placed on the table was a
"follow me" feature/function, where your preferences would
follow
GZ: this is what GPII is working towards as well
... the fact level 5 is only a delta from level 4, which is
still in CR
So we could bring this to the level 5 work (even though level 4
is still in CR)
JS: so it's not too late to get stuff into level 5
JF: so what are next steps?
GZ: maybe a TPAC Session?
JS: that may be useful, but we should have a fuller agenda
GZ: maybe a list of new features we want in Level 5, so that
would be the impetus of the call
Gottfried can also reach out to Greg V to see if there are more
things emerging
[discussion around drafting Amy to do more stuff ;-) ]
GZ: perhaps he and Amy can work on this, create a wiki page and
start getting draft language out there
<Gottfried> active fingerprinting
we can also look at discussing the active fingerprintering
concern
JS: that may be something for decentralized identifiers.
<MichaelC> scribe: Gottfried
Community Groups Tracking Redux
[37]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
[37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
Becky: We had looked at Web audio community group
... Better audio functionality on the Web. Want to engage with
the audio wg.
Janina: I should join that group.
Becky: They have 46 participants. Have some participation on
the mailing list.
... They have meetings and publish minutes.
... I am through new groups until end of April.
Janina: We skipped reviewing our dashboard - tabled for next
week.
... We adjourn.
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
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