APA minutes 2020-07-01

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Best regards,
 Prof. Dr. Gottfried Zimmermann
 Access Technologies Group, Germany


      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

     Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

01 Jul 2020


          nicolocarp_, janina, Joshue, Matthew_Atkinson, JF,
          NeilS, becky, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, Gottfried,



          Gottfried, JF


     * [2]Topics
         1. [3]Agenda Review & Announcements
         2. [4]APA Rechartering Begins
         3. [5]Task Force Updates (including COGA CfC Update)
         4. [6]Web & Machine Learning Workshop
         5. [7]Web Maps Workshop https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/
         6. [8]FAST Progress -- Josh
         7. [9]Getting Horizontal Review
         8. [10]New Charters Review
         9. [11]new on TR
        10. [12]Actions Checkin (Specs)
        11. [13]Community Groups Tracking Redux
     * [14]Summary of Action Items
     * [15]Summary of Resolutions

   <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried

Agenda Review & Announcements

APA Rechartering Begins

   Janina: Our charter expires Aug 2021.
   ... Timeline: Reach our consensus by Jan 2021. Then hand off to
   W3C management.
   ... Initial draft expected in some weeks. Process concerns
   should be included.

   Amy: What does the charter contain?

   Janina: Formal operating license from W3C specifying what we
   want to accomplish and how. Every W3C wg has a charter.

   <nicolocarp_> Thanks, clarification was needed for me too :)

   Charter: [16]https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter

     [16] https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter

   <MichaelC> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/charter
   latest-version link

     [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/charter

   John: Charter tells how much time we get from Michael.

   <janina> [18]https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter

     [18] https://www.w3.org/2018/08/apa-charter

   Michael: Level of staff effort. Formal deliverables of the wg.
   People in the group have to accept the patent policy attached
   to it.

   John: Every member - except invited experts - have a rep in the

Task Force Updates (including COGA CfC Update)



   Janina: Two CfC were going. One expired yesterday.



   Janina: We responded on the survey of the WoT wg.
   ... We expect to have more relationship with them. We want to
   bring accessibility in as an essential part of their use cases.
   ... I went with them through their use cases.
   ... WoT decides which UC they want to have addressed first. APA
   will help in reviewing accessibility aspects.
   ... This is open until tonight. I will follow up with an email
   to the WoT wg.
   ... Pronunciation is on its way to CR.
   ... There was agreement on the technical approach, but now the
   tf is reconsidering it.
   ... We plan for another meeting to identify the best approach.
   Key players in implementation invited.

   <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about XR

   Attribute or SSML approach?

   Joanmarie: In touch with NVDA developers?

   Janina: Yes, trying.

   Joanmarie: Maybe Reef Turner? or Mick

   Janina: Hard to find a time to meet.

   John: Did the research TF publish XAUR?

   <Joshue108> [21]https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/

     [21] https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/

   John: There is now a subgroup of the Silver tf.

   Janina: My goal was that emerging technologies would be
   accommodated in the development of AG.

   John: I have concerns as AC rep.

   Michael: We discussed your concerns today. Somebody will get to

Web & Machine Learning Workshop

     [22] https://www.w3.org/2020/06/machine-learning-workshop/

   Janina: Jutta Treviranus wrote a draft for the workshop.
   ... Others from us are interested to attend the workshop as

   <Joshue108> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MLWorkshop2020

     [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/MLWorkshop2020

   Josh: This is my draft for a position paper. Questions we
   should bring in to the workshop.
   ... I am happy for people to contribute.
   ... Deadline for submissions is Jul 3.
   ... Please add your thoughts to this wiki page.

Web Maps Workshop [24]https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/

     [24] https://www.w3.org/2020/maps/

   Janina: I have a non-W3C entity person, from the American
   Printing House for the Blind.

   <scribe> ... New map app, including annotation of POIs.

   UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: They are interested in this workshop.

   <Joshue108> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Main_Page

     [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Main_Page



   Josh: I put together a placeholder about this workshop.
   ... We should aim to have a position paper together by Jul 15.

FAST Progress -- Josh

   Josh: No real updates from my side.

   Janina: The FAST doc has been seen as relevant to help AG
   define its goals.
   ... It is about how to write an accessible spec.
   ... The groups that need horizontal review from us should
   respond to us on the FAST doc.

   Michael: We have a framework on accessible specifications, did
   some work on user needs.
   ... It is starting as an AG subgroup.
   ... List of functional needs for all WAI guidelines.
   ... Collecting needs from other sources.
   ... Expect we will bring it back to APA in the near future.
   ... The checklist for horizontal review is related to this.
   ... But it is a different deliverable

Getting Horizontal Review [27]https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview

     [27] https://www.w3.org/wiki/DocumentReview

   Janina: Related to the W3C policy doc on horizontal review.
   ... It seems important to the management.

   Michael: Started with Leonie asking who cares about horizontal
   ... I18n people identify the same problem as we.

   Becky: I agree with i18n that it should be part of the doc and
   more formal.

   Janina: Run a CfC in APA?

   Michael: Not a formal deliverable of the group.

   Janina: Anyone disagree?

   Michael: Guidance on horizontal review belongs into process
   guidance documents of the W3C.

   Janina: Hearing no disagreement, we should respond. Becky?

New Charters Review


   Michael: No new charters last week.

new on TR [29]http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

     [29] http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

   <MichaelC> [30]Decentralized Identifiers (DIDs) v1.0

     [30] https://www.w3.org/TR/did-core/

   Michael: They sent a wide review request a month ago. Want our
   response quickly.

   Janina: I am about half way through. But did not see a problem,
   but could not assess the diagram.
   ... This spec is under the UI level. The spec is not about how
   things are presented to the user.
   ... Got hung up on the identification of humans, but there is
   no ui in the spec specified.

   Gottfried: Diagram is a dead link in the spec.

   Michael: Diagram shows up in the editor's draft.
   ... There is a description, but i can't tell if it is

   Janina: Can we talk them into using accessible SVG?

   Michael: Text after the diagram could replicate the diagram's
   ... We could suggest accessible SVG, but we need to be prepared
   to help them do it.

   Janina: Anybody willing to do this?
   ... I think we have no comments on this.
   ... I will keep reading and then send an email.

   <MichaelC> [31]DID Specification Registries

     [31] https://www.w3.org/TR/did-spec-registries/

   Michael: I think it is unlikely we want to comment on this.

   Janina: Agree.
   ... Namespace for decentralized identifier registrations:
   ... We are okay with this

   <MichaelC> [32]Requirements for Chinese Text Layout中文排版需求

     [32] https://www.w3.org/TR/clreq/

   Michael: No need to check on this, right?

   Janina: Hearing no objection

Actions Checkin (Specs)

     [33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open


   <trackbot> action-2239 -- Gottfried Zimmermann to Review media
   queries level 5, [34]https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-5/ --
   due 2020-03-18 -- OPEN

     [34] https://www.w3.org/tr/mediaqueries-5/

   <trackbot> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2239

     [35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2239

   <inserted> scribe: JF

   GZ: a number of years ago at TPAC (Lisbon?) we talke to CSS WG.
   Discussed about User Preferences via media queries

   this is emerging now - saw some of this in the spec

   some aspects are starting to show up

   we'd like to see *more* of these types of things - researched
   needs emerging from Greg V and Jutta K's work (GPII)

   <Gottfried> Table of user preferences:

     [36] https://remexlabs.github.io/GTx_HDM1.2aX/gpii-common-terms.html

   Som eof this is only relevant at OS level, but there are a
   large number that are relevant to us - i.e. Session timeout

   directly related to WCAG, so this would be an excellent
   solution for that

   Leonie suggested it be brought up later - this is something we
   should discuss

   JS: one of the tyhings that WoT placed on the table was a
   "follow me" feature/function, where your preferences would

   GZ: this is what GPII is working towards as well
   ... the fact level 5 is only a delta from level 4, which is
   still in CR

   So we could bring this to the level 5 work (even though level 4
   is still in CR)

   JS: so it's not too late to get stuff into level 5

   JF: so what are next steps?

   GZ: maybe a TPAC Session?

   JS: that may be useful, but we should have a fuller agenda

   GZ: maybe a list of new features we want in Level 5, so that
   would be the impetus of the call

   Gottfried can also reach out to Greg V to see if there are more
   things emerging

   [discussion around drafting Amy to do more stuff ;-) ]

   GZ: perhaps he and Amy can work on this, create a wiki page and
   start getting draft language out there

   <Gottfried> active fingerprinting

   we can also look at discussing the active fingerprintering

   JS: that may be something for decentralized identifiers.

   <MichaelC> scribe: Gottfried

Community Groups Tracking Redux

     [37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups

   Becky: We had looked at Web audio community group
   ... Better audio functionality on the Web. Want to engage with
   the audio wg.

   Janina: I should join that group.

   Becky: They have 46 participants. Have some participation on
   the mailing list.
   ... They have meetings and publish minutes.
   ... I am through new groups until end of April.

   Janina: We skipped reviewing our dashboard - tabled for next
   ... We adjourn.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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