- From: Michiel Bijl (list) <michiel.list@moiety.me>
- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:03:11 +0000
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The minutes for today’s call can be found as text in this e-mail or at the following URL: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html For what it’s worth, was only 2.500 words. — Michiel [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 25 Jan 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-irc Attendees Present MichielBijl, Ralph, Léonie, Janina, Gottfried, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, ShaneM, Judy, JF, tdrake Regrets Chair Janina Scribe MichielBijl Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]preview agenda with items from two minutes 2. [5]Media Accessibility in W3C Specs 3. [6]Input Events http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov /0005.html 4. [7]Updating DOM--Any RFEs? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2017JanMa r/0000.html 5. [8]APA's Accessibility Checklist 6. [9]next and future meetings * [10]Summary of Action Items * [11]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <janina_> /me michaelc: EMERGENCY: Can't get in on Webex for APA with 647 857 439 <janina_> Argh. Webex is misbehaving. The 9 digit code isn't working for me <janina_> No go here either via SIP (my usual) or direct dial PSTN <janina_> Will try again <scribe> scribe: MichielBijl preview agenda with items from two minutes JS: Hope to have Judy here today are we doing enough? are there missing pieces? Welcome Ralph! Any news or other relevant tidbits? LW: We published a new update to HTML 5.2 Working draft update, no big milestone, nothing that impacts accessibility Media Accessibility in W3C Specs JS: we did a lot of work to make sure HTML 5 supports everything we can reasonably expect We went through and came up with all kind use cases Came up with a notes document <janina_> [12]http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/ [12] http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/ That is the basis by which we talked to HTML about how to support it It should not be a surprise that some of them text Some of them are binary Like video or audio files And some of this is fixed up in use cases I know we’re listed in a charter Has just been renewed for another year Some of the folks there are familiar with what we’re about In some cases I’m seeing new names Not sure if they’re aware of what we’re about In some cases it’s hard to find out what an API is about There’re enormous opportunities to get this right Users at home Educational videos In a school setting for example Or even in a movie theatre HTML should be an inter-operable device Make it possible for hearing impaired users to use their smart device to listen to the main track or audio described track Maybe we have to update the MAUR We did for visual impaired users Not sure we did for hearing impaired users Might have documented some issues, but not the solutions You can find plenty of examples where you have subtitles and audio description RS: Thank you for inviting me <Ralph> [Ralph notes [13]http://www.daltonize.org/ for Daltonization] [13] http://www.daltonize.org/ JF: I’m just curious You made mention of delivering solutions Was my understanding that the MAUR was about documenting use cases <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask if it is the role of the MAUR to deliver "solutions", rather than articulating needs? JB: Motivation was to find the support between HTML and ?? We wanted to achieve a technology neutral document With of those things in hand it should facilitate the technology options Until we have that each meeting there is a discussion scribe: a debate between which technology better address some user needs, TTML, or WebVTT? We noticed that since then there are a couple of groups That from time to time work in areas that relate to media accessibility, but without realizing the tie-ins such as the need for APIs, nor the availability of the MAUR doc One aspect is colour schemes Another is flash mitigation We can just capture the colour scheme aspect and the flash mitigation Happy to tell more about it JS: And very important Also some legal ramifications Make sure developers are aware of them What we need to follow through on Most of us have non real time things in mind There is the real time world as well that we’re working on All of them will probably come into play If we think of an entity like Canada About some thing That they would stream Being Canadian they have to do it in English and French. But you would also like to support the third scenario ?? Also automatically decide which language you need Not sure WebRTC is appropriate for that We don’t have a standardised control JF: I’m struggling to understand what it is we’re trying to achieve JB: There’s still a very active a11y effort in W3C We’re opparating in different ways And media a11y issues come up sometimes In unexpected placed I think it may be useful to look at this question of where are media a11y opportunities coming up What would the APA need We want to drive the support for media a11y support JF: There have been two specific issues ?? The other is about, lost the thread, switching between languages etc Real time support That somehow they can choose they can choose which audio stream they want to select? JS: Yeah, and also video RS: The content has to be there Our scope here is to say the content should be available And we need the infrastructure support for users to choose languages JS: ANd that last point is what APA is running into to We need to review whether it’s relevant We know it’s related to audio or something else I spend a lot of time on MEDIA We weren’t only talking about real time, but it’s hard to tell sometimes where it fits Where these APIs fit in the larger picture For APA one thing that is missing is how to place the APIs in the larger scheme Sometimes it’s hard to start the conversation on that. <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to ask a question <Judy> [14]https://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/#toc [14] https://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/#toc JB: Are you asking hey let’s look at maybe how can we make the document better known? If you look at the structure of the document There’re three main sections 1. Summary of Accessible Media Requirements by Type of Disability 2. Alternative Content Technologies 3. System Requirements *description of these categories, please refer to document itself* <JF> I am still confused. The use-cases Janina has risen seems (to me) to be covered in the MAUR already. For example, the ability to switch language streams should be covered by this: [DAC-3] The user can browse the alternatives and switch between them. <JF> and perhaps this: [DAC-7] During time-based media playback, the user can determine which tracks are available and select or deselect tracks. These selections may override global default settings for captions, descriptions, etc. JB: I’m thinking maybe coming up with structure questions to focus people’s attention could get us farther Does that match at all what you’re trying to achieve with this document? JS: It does for me JB: John does it help you? JF: I mean, you brought up a use case, I went and looked at the MAUR, we have two uses cases that fit your issues JS: I think it might be point 2 and 3 Point 2 is a frequent issue for APA What we expect a particular API to achieve What could conceivable be picked up by implementers and the like Then we start to look at do we ?? as well as APIs and so forth. RS: John’s question makes an interesting point As new WG are formed It’s hard for different WGs to look at APIs and see what the intersections may be If we remind them that the MAUR exists If there is one thing I would encourage the APA to do Is to publish an update Would encourage to stage multiple updates To get more exposure as you update regularly JF: Want a sanity check What I’m hearing is we’re talking about two things 1. Perhaps need to revisit MAUR and plug things 2. How do we socialise the MAUR (within the W3C) Am I understanding this correctly JS & JB: Yes JS: Or a spin off MAUR 2: Die Harder JS: Michael should we build this into the checklist? Think we have an early draft <Ralph> [publishing an update is one of the ways to socialize the resource] Doesn’t include media yet <MichaelC> [15]http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html [15] http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html MC: So, I think in the APA we’ve been expected to come up with user requirements <janina_> Yes to similar counterparts Like payments(?) <janina_> Like payments The centralised checklist if you scroll down to the fourth big black bar (that’s WCAG fail Michael) JB: Are you looking for volunteers? JS: Yeah, I think so A lot of us here are already overcomitted JB: Iw ould be interested to contribute to ?? and the flash mitigation GZ: I would volunteer There are some standards coming up For example how text is contained in frames Something we should look at when we revise this document. JS: Any other thoughts? RS: Thanks for inviting me and would like to return from time to time JS: Interested to learn how to socialise the MAUR RS: One of our big goals Judy has support from other seniors to spread this around JS: Going once going twice sold! JS: Michael, a question: are there any new publications? Input Events [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html JS: This is a WP set of issues We lost Rich S. He was the last to review We do have some comments from back in November LW: Did they make it as far as the group working on the spec JS: They might need some cleanup before we formally put them forward Not exactly sure how to go about the cleanup LW: Don’t mind taking a look at them The group that are working on them have a planned call around 13th of February I’ll prioritise this JS: Do you want two weeks? <janina_> ACTION: Leonie to move forward from Rich's start re Input Events [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html#action01] [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html [18] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2110 - Move forward from rich's start re input events [19]http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks [on Léonie Watson - due 2017-02-01]. [19] http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005.html LW: Yes, won’t be here next week, will try to respond to the list before then. <MichaelC> action-2110 due 2 weeks <trackbot> Set action-2110 Move forward from rich's start re input events [20]http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks due date to 2017-02-08. [20] http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005.html <MichaelC> action-2110: [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Input_Events <trackbot> Notes added to action-2110 Move forward from rich's start re input events [22]http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks. [22] http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005.html <MichaelC> action-2110: [23]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/000 5.html [23] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html <trackbot> Notes added to action-2110 Move forward from rich's start re input events [24]http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks. [24] http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-apa/2016nov/0005.html Updating DOM--Any RFEs? [25]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2017JanMar/0000.html [25] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2017JanMar/0000.html JS: There’re various DOM specs open for review Do we need to keep bringing this up SM: Have discussed this with Rich, please keep on the list JS: Will do! MC: That’s related to Shadow DOM, are there any other DOM specs we need to track? JS: All of them MC: What’re all the DOM specs? JS: Steve F. send something to the chairs list, can’t find it at the moment MC: I don’t see it either Wondering if we’re missing something in our Wiki JS: I’ll find it Not right now, but I’ll find it or drop the question *boom* APA's Accessibility Checklist MC: Don’t feel it has had sufficient review John has accepted to reviewed it But nobody else has made any comments LW: Is it worth asking some people outside the a11y community to get an outside review of it MC: I’ve had some feedback, that it’s too wordy, needs editorial review Give a couple weeks for that And as a second round do what Léonie is suggesting Not sure where to go there But might be best to start with groups we work with Ask them “will this make it easier to work with us” Maybe the furthest we can go before the AC meeting After that we can take it to a wider audience for input JS: John, how much time do you think you need? JF: Want to get the spreadsheet finished first How about a week? JS: Okay that sounds good s/fine/good/ JS: Calling a CFC will put us all on record Any other business next and future meetings Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Leonie to move forward from Rich's start re Input Events [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005 .html due +2 weeks [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html#action01] [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html [27] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html#action01 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [28]scribe.perl version 1.148 ([29]CVS log) $Date: 2017/01/25 18:00:26 $ __________________________________________________________ [28] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [29] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.148 of Date: 2016/10/11 12:55:14 Check for newer version at [30]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/inopperable/inoperable / Succeeded: s/inoperable/inter-operable/ Succeeded: s/??/mitigation/ Succeeded: s/WebTT/...a debate between which technology better address s ome user needs, TTML, or WebVTT?/ Succeeded: s/can do/is appropriate for/ Succeeded: s/That from time to time ?? other APIs/That from time to time work in areas that relate to media accessibility, but without realizing the tie-ins such as the need for APIs, nor the availability of the MAUR doc/ Succeeded: s/need the support/need the infrastructure support/ Succeeded: s/for lang/for users to choose lang/ Succeeded: s/sofort/so fort/ Succeeded: s/poiint/point/ Succeeded: s/so fort/so forth/ Succeeded: s/centrelised/centralised/ Succeeded: s/John has/John has accepted to/ Succeeded: s/nobody has/nobody else has/ Succeeded: s/fine/good/ FAILED: s/fine/good/ Found Scribe: MichielBijl Inferring ScribeNick: MichielBijl Present: MichielBijl Ralph Léonie Janina Gottfried Joanmarie_Diggs Micha elC ShaneM Judy JF tdrake Found Date: 25 Jan 2017 Guessing minutes URL: [31]http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html People with action items: leonie [31] http://www.w3.org/2017/01/25-apa-minutes.html WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. 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