Re: FYI: Public Draft of the W3C Annotation Working Group Charter

Hi, Paolo–

Not to drill too deep into details, but what would such a selector look 
like?

Regards-
-Doug

On 2/4/14 7:38 PM, Paolo Ciccarese wrote:
> Hi Doug, Bob, all,
> in the current Open Annotation model - and that was true for Open
> Annotation Collaboration and Annotation Ontology models - the data
> annotation is supported and an important aspect of the overall idea. For
> instance we can have a selector that is able to identify a portion of a
> dataset through an appropriate mechanisms (even a SQL query if necessary).
>
> Doug, data selectors don't change the need for robust anchoring within
> the web documents realm, it is simply a different aspect. The concern is
> to have a new model that will somehow preclude/limit that. That would be
> a problem for instance for the scientific community where data curation
> can be addressed with annotation.
>
>
> Best,
> Paolo
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org
> <mailto:schepers@w3.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi, Bob–
>
>     The Force11 Data Citation Principles are interesting, and I
>     certainly support them; they seem very much in line with TimBL's
>     thinking about Linked Open Data and "five-star data".
>
>     While I agree with Ivan that we need to keep a focused scope, I'm
>     curious what specifically you would like to see in the charter?
>
>     Much of the Force11 Data Citation Principles seem to be about
>     publishing guidelines or citation guidelines, not annotations per
>     se. Are you suggesting that the robust anchoring try to address data
>     citation as well as document anchoring? Or is there some other way
>     in which "data" could be more explicitly in scope?
>
>     Regards-
>     -Doug
>
>
>     On 2/4/14 11:53 AM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>
>
>         On 04 Feb 2014, at 16:28 , Bob Morris <morris.bob@gmail.com
>         <mailto:morris.bob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             This is good news and I add my thanks.
>
>             It will be no surprise to OA followers that only problem I have
>             with the early draft is that it does not unambiguously put data
>             annotation in the scope.  This is all the more disappointing
>             given
>             the quite interesting efforts that Tim and Ivan have pointed out
>             in public-openannotation@w3.org
>             <mailto:public-openannotation@w3.org> about data citation
>             practices,
>             e.g. http://force11.org/__datacitation
>             <http://force11.org/datacitation>, in the context of increasing
>             pressure from funding agencies to provide the data behind the
>             conclusions of scientific publications.
>
>
>         Bob,
>
>         obviously:-) I am aware of the data publishing issues. And I
>         think it
>         is correct to say that part of the work that is planned in the group
>         (namely the finalization of the data model) would certainly be
>         usable
>         for data annotation as well.
>
>         However... the work on API-s, RESTful or not, would, I believe, be
>         very different when we talk about annotation on data and about
>         annotation on web pages or digital books. And the sad reality is
>         that
>         we have to make a choice in the scope because we cannot cover
>         everything in one place. Hence the current focus on the
>         'traditional'
>         Web issues.
>
>         That being said: we are certainly open to either enlarge the scope
>         or, possibly at a later point, spawn a different group with a
>         different scope that would look at the annotation of data
>         publishing.
>         It is a matter of 'submissions' in the general sense, a maturity of
>         the technology in terms of a possible standardization, communities
>         that are ready to step up... Let us see where the public discussion
>         goes!
>
>         Thanks!
>
>         Ivan
>
>
>             On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Paolo Ciccarese
>             <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com
>             <mailto:paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Dear Community Group Members, As anticipated W3C may start a
>                 Working Group to standardize the major building blocks for
>                 annotations.
>
>                 Thanks to the work of Ivan Herman and Doug Schepers, an
>                 'advance
>                 notice' has been issued to the W3C members[1] and a very
>                 early
>                 draft for the Working Group Charter [2] has been made
>                 available
>                 publicly.
>
>                 Any comments are welcome to finalize the draft. The best
>                 is to
>                 send them to the public-annotation@w3.org
>                 <mailto:public-annotation@w3.org> mailing list whose role
>                 is to collect all the comments coming from the community at
>                 large.
>
>                 Best, Paolo & Rob
>
>                 [1]
>                 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-annotation/__2014Feb/0000.html
>                 <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Feb/0000.html>
>
>
>     [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/Ann-__charter.html
>     <http://www.w3.org/2014/01/Ann-charter.html>
>
>
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