Re: use case clarification - cross format annotations

Frederick,
this is how it is currently done in Annotopia:
https://github.com/Annotopia/AtSmartStorage/wiki/Managing-Identifiers

Best,
Paolo

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Frederick,
> comments in line
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Frederick HIrsch <hirsch@fjhirsch.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Paolo
>>
>> Thanks for providing a use case on the wiki -
>> https://www.w3.org/annotation/wiki/Cross-formats_Annotations
>>
>> I think what you are saying is that the same document can be provided in
>> different formats (e.g. HTML or PDF) at different portals (e.g. PubMed
>> Central vs authors personal web site etc) - I guess different portals could
>> also offer the same format with different URLs as well.
>>
>
> Correct. This is a very common scenario for scientific papers, one of the
> main resources I annotate.
>
>
>>
>> The use case also says that sometimes these various targets should be
>> treated as the same despite having different URLs and sometimes should be
>> treated as different, depending on user choice.
>>
>
> Correct. For instance if I annotate with Domeo an HTML version, I want to
> see the same annotations on my PDF version through the Utopia client. This
> is in fact already implemented through the Annotopia server:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrNX6Sfg_RQ
>
>
>>
>> Thus I have  questions
>>
>> - how can a system know that two documents are different representations
>> of the same document when they have different URLs?
>>
>
> When tools like Domeo and Annotopia see a document, the first thing they
> do is capture available IDs. Domeo looks up for DOIs, PMIDs, PMCIDs, PIIs
> and so on. When sanding the annotation to Annotopia, the bibliographic data
> are sent as description of the target document. This is done by reusing
> existing vocabularies/ontologies.
>
>
>>
>> - why would a end-user want only to provide annotations for a specific
>> representation of the same target and not have it apply to all versions?
>>
>
> It depends what is the task. If the task is to compare output formats you
> might want to do that. Also different formats might be different in layout
> and the annotation might be related to that.
> In general, it is important to know exactly which variant motivated the
> annotation so that the process can be fully understood.
>
>
>>
>> - should we simplify the use case to how to share annotations for a
>> target that has multiple instances with different URLs.
>>
>
> I guess so. Keeping in mind that one URL can refer to HTML and one to PDF?
>
>
>>
>> It seems the big issue here is that different URLs might refer to the
>> same target, and how to handle that.
>>
>
> Yup. In my case I incorporate bibliographic data in the annotation. In
> alternative something else need to do that job of finding that out.
>
>
>>
>> I know I’m jumping ahead, but thought I’d ask now.
>>
>
> Good you asked :)
>
>
>>
>> regards, Frederick
>>
>> Frederick Hirsch
>> @fjhirsch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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