Re: AI KR meetings 2021

Hi Paola, all,

Thanks for the algorithm watch link. Working on a public schema for a
registry sounds like a good idea, do you have any ideas on that already?
What you are proposing is a schema that registries on AI and ADM could
follow to increase, for instance, transparency, and so other desirable
characteristics for AI and ADM, am I understanding that correctly?

By the way, what do you call a registry? To me is similar to a directory,
where you find basic information, possible links to related resources and
definitely a link to the actual resource (hosted somewhere else). I ask to
make sure we are all on the same page, I have seen common terms might have
different interpretations.

These are some of the software registries that I know, not sure those
follow under the registry category for you.
* https://bio.tools/
* https://openebench.bsc.es, a benchmarking approach for for life sciences
* https://www.european-language-grid.eu/, for NLP and language approaches
but not publicly open
* http://gerbil.aksw.org/gerbil/, also for benchmarking

Regards,

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 7:58 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
wrote:

> LJ
>
> KG as KR
> I hope I can have a discussion with you about the suitability of KG as KR
> I have developed a checklist for the evaluation of  KR and maybe you can
> help me
> future out if KGs meet the adequacy criteria
>
> regarding the register, last fall (time goes so quickly) I attended a
> launch event for
> a report by algorithm watch
> https://algorithmwatch.org/en/press-release-automating-society-2020/
> There they make some recommendations, including for a registry
>
> crease the transparency of ADM systems by establishing public registers
> for ADM systems used within the public sector and by introducing
> legally-binding data access frameworks to support and enable public
> interest research;
>
> (see the bottom of the link for more recommendations)
>
> But I dont think a registry is feasible without massive overhead
> and centralization,
>
>  after bouncing off some ideas here with Carl and Owen who
> were also thinking registry (not sure in relation to the same initiative)
> I suggested that working on a public schema for a registry should be
> feasible for us, ie a set of data/requirements that can be used by public
> authorities and /or software developers/owners to ensure their AI is
> trustworthy,  Even just to publish a schema/specification for the registry
> is going to require commitment
>
> regarding stratML , please search our mailing list of extensive references
> and pointers to resources and if you cannot find
> them email Owen will point you
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/
>
> Thank you for joining and I ll soon send a summary of recent published work
> and talks
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:11 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paola, all,
>>
>> I work with semantic web and linked data in life sciences so I guess I am
>> one of those that find knowledge graphs as a good KR. I use semantic
>> approaches to combine data and do some knowledge discovery / data analytics
>> there, so I understand better the data and what I can get out of it.
>>
>> I have not been able to get much information about StrathML, google seems
>> to get confused with the term and does not give me much. Any link you can
>> provide?
>>
>> Regarding a schema for ethical AI, I could be interested in it but would
>> need to understand better what you mean. I have worked with schema.org
>> to add markup/metadata to webpages. Let's suppose you expose your AI tool
>> on a portal or so, would the schema you have in mind describe the AI tool
>> with some properties regarding ethical aspects?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:15 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> LJ,
>>> please tell us about your topic and your interest in AI KR
>>>
>>> I ll be posting some updates soon at my end
>>> My vision for KR is that is pretty much the center of the known
>>> universe, in the sense that
>>> humans relate to the world around them through cognition
>>> From KR depends everything that is shared/collective, that is made
>>> explicit and communicated and subject to norms
>>> That is quite a lot. Now that some level of AI is used in every system
>>> KR is becoming more important
>>> But it has not evolved much. I dont think kg (Knowledge Graphs) are
>>> reliable KR methods. Do you have opinions
>>> on that?
>>> I dont need KR in the same way for our own internal world
>>> this is perhaps more the realm of Cognitive AI
>>>
>>> I am pursuing my vision by pitching papers - had a few abstracts and
>>> papers and talks on the subject
>>> accepted,  and started this group in the hope the message trickles
>>> It has trickled, as people have started picking up on the topics we
>>> share here and discuss them
>>> elsewhere, for some reason :-)
>>>
>>> There is a lot of interesting material and I think I ll start by
>>> publishing a concept map of what is going on
>>>
>>> StrathML is great but fits a bit like a straightjacket for my madness at
>>> the moment :-)
>>>
>>> The last meaningful ideas was a schema for Ethical AI repos written in
>>> StrathML or something
>>> which i hope goes ahead
>>>
>>>
>>> pdm
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:07 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paola,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply. StratML meetings would be too specific for me,
>>>> great to learn but out of my topic right now to not enough time to engage.
>>>> I will keep a closer eye to the mailing list to learn more from
>>>> discussions and so on. If I see I can contribute somehow, I will do so.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 3:22 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LJ
>>>>> Thanks for the PIng
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl and Owen have been organising meetings focussed on a specific
>>>>> topic StrathML
>>>>> but we can set up meetings anytime, with any focus-
>>>>> Let us know what you work on, what is your interest and vision for the
>>>>> participation in this group
>>>>> and we maybe set up a call to focus on any topic that may be of
>>>>> interest to you and others
>>>>>
>>>>> PDM
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:13 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have partially followed discussions going on on the mailing list
>>>>>> but this year would like to be more active. I think there is a monthly
>>>>>> meeting? If yes, could you please remind me the details?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>