- From: LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 13:43:37 +0100
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAPZUG=Cguo3Q01QBy0JyMVvXmftMXNqK1NVHZfhC=WAdj3b19w@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Paola, all, Thanks for the algorithm watch link. Working on a public schema for a registry sounds like a good idea, do you have any ideas on that already? What you are proposing is a schema that registries on AI and ADM could follow to increase, for instance, transparency, and so other desirable characteristics for AI and ADM, am I understanding that correctly? By the way, what do you call a registry? To me is similar to a directory, where you find basic information, possible links to related resources and definitely a link to the actual resource (hosted somewhere else). I ask to make sure we are all on the same page, I have seen common terms might have different interpretations. These are some of the software registries that I know, not sure those follow under the registry category for you. * https://bio.tools/ * https://openebench.bsc.es, a benchmarking approach for for life sciences * https://www.european-language-grid.eu/, for NLP and language approaches but not publicly open * http://gerbil.aksw.org/gerbil/, also for benchmarking Regards, On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 7:58 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote: > LJ > > KG as KR > I hope I can have a discussion with you about the suitability of KG as KR > I have developed a checklist for the evaluation of KR and maybe you can > help me > future out if KGs meet the adequacy criteria > > regarding the register, last fall (time goes so quickly) I attended a > launch event for > a report by algorithm watch > https://algorithmwatch.org/en/press-release-automating-society-2020/ > There they make some recommendations, including for a registry > > crease the transparency of ADM systems by establishing public registers > for ADM systems used within the public sector and by introducing > legally-binding data access frameworks to support and enable public > interest research; > > (see the bottom of the link for more recommendations) > > But I dont think a registry is feasible without massive overhead > and centralization, > > after bouncing off some ideas here with Carl and Owen who > were also thinking registry (not sure in relation to the same initiative) > I suggested that working on a public schema for a registry should be > feasible for us, ie a set of data/requirements that can be used by public > authorities and /or software developers/owners to ensure their AI is > trustworthy, Even just to publish a schema/specification for the registry > is going to require commitment > > regarding stratML , please search our mailing list of extensive references > and pointers to resources and if you cannot find > them email Owen will point you > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/ > > Thank you for joining and I ll soon send a summary of recent published work > and talks > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:11 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Paola, all, >> >> I work with semantic web and linked data in life sciences so I guess I am >> one of those that find knowledge graphs as a good KR. I use semantic >> approaches to combine data and do some knowledge discovery / data analytics >> there, so I understand better the data and what I can get out of it. >> >> I have not been able to get much information about StrathML, google seems >> to get confused with the term and does not give me much. Any link you can >> provide? >> >> Regarding a schema for ethical AI, I could be interested in it but would >> need to understand better what you mean. I have worked with schema.org >> to add markup/metadata to webpages. Let's suppose you expose your AI tool >> on a portal or so, would the schema you have in mind describe the AI tool >> with some properties regarding ethical aspects? >> >> Regards, >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 1:15 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> LJ, >>> please tell us about your topic and your interest in AI KR >>> >>> I ll be posting some updates soon at my end >>> My vision for KR is that is pretty much the center of the known >>> universe, in the sense that >>> humans relate to the world around them through cognition >>> From KR depends everything that is shared/collective, that is made >>> explicit and communicated and subject to norms >>> That is quite a lot. Now that some level of AI is used in every system >>> KR is becoming more important >>> But it has not evolved much. I dont think kg (Knowledge Graphs) are >>> reliable KR methods. Do you have opinions >>> on that? >>> I dont need KR in the same way for our own internal world >>> this is perhaps more the realm of Cognitive AI >>> >>> I am pursuing my vision by pitching papers - had a few abstracts and >>> papers and talks on the subject >>> accepted, and started this group in the hope the message trickles >>> It has trickled, as people have started picking up on the topics we >>> share here and discuss them >>> elsewhere, for some reason :-) >>> >>> There is a lot of interesting material and I think I ll start by >>> publishing a concept map of what is going on >>> >>> StrathML is great but fits a bit like a straightjacket for my madness at >>> the moment :-) >>> >>> The last meaningful ideas was a schema for Ethical AI repos written in >>> StrathML or something >>> which i hope goes ahead >>> >>> >>> pdm >>> >>> PDM >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 7:07 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Paola, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your reply. StratML meetings would be too specific for me, >>>> great to learn but out of my topic right now to not enough time to engage. >>>> I will keep a closer eye to the mailing list to learn more from >>>> discussions and so on. If I see I can contribute somehow, I will do so. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 3:22 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> LJ >>>>> Thanks for the PIng >>>>> >>>>> Carl and Owen have been organising meetings focussed on a specific >>>>> topic StrathML >>>>> but we can set up meetings anytime, with any focus- >>>>> Let us know what you work on, what is your interest and vision for the >>>>> participation in this group >>>>> and we maybe set up a call to focus on any topic that may be of >>>>> interest to you and others >>>>> >>>>> PDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >>>>> <#m_-1310583577550505253_m_1031012630689545055_m_-2155910221626731869_m_4138751991099088002_m_-3762926692016067577_m_-8267902609057381427_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:13 PM LJ.Garcia <lj.garcia.co@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have partially followed discussions going on on the mailing list >>>>>> but this year would like to be more active. I think there is a monthly >>>>>> meeting? If yes, could you please remind me the details? >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>
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