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KRID specification

From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:54:46 +0800
Message-ID: <CAMXe=SqjBMss_A95bnM-cBo+izJNOpiK2muN8Qtht0pTzDVLQQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
Carl,
you mentioned KRID a couple of times, but never really said what it is nor
provided any specification
Please point us to  the relevnt references,  thanks
(what is is? what purpose does it fulfil? in what context? following what
mechanism?)


On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 9:35 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Paola
>
> Please clarify  what you mean. Are you simply saying that KRID has not be
> defined outside of AIKRCG discussions?
> Carl
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020, 9:27 PM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Carl -
>> This looks great -
>>
>>
>>>    - -AIKR reasoning uses KRID identifiers and data
>>>    (aka metadata) properties, such as KR TYPE that has a value-set that
>>>    includes ' Declarative'-, 'Imperative  (aka procedural)'.
>>>
>>> but not KRID
>>  KRID has not been created   explained, defined nor discussed anywhere
>> afaik KRID does not exist (yet)
>> so I think this statement is false
>>
>>
>> p
>>
>>>
>>> based on these agreements we are confident that a near-term outcome of
>>> our effort will include:
>>>
>>>    - The AIKRCG Strategy which is published for human and machine
>>>    consumption.
>>>    - An AIKRCG demonstration, for humans and machines, explaining how
>>>    an AI Strategist can produce a performance plan for AIKR objects
>>>    implemented by machine learning powered services that are measured by Key
>>>    Performance Indicators (KPIs)
>>>    - An AIKRCG constructed core ontology (for human and machines)
>>>    populated with the essential concepts and distinctions required for  Knowledge-directed
>>>    Artificial Intelligence Reasoning Over StratMl Schemas supplemented by Knowledge
>>>    objects with KRIDs
>>>
>>>
>>> At the close of Tuesdays meeting we will discuss next steps -please
>>> reply to this email if you have Goals, Objectives that should be discussed
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Carl Mattocks
>>> Co-Chair AIKRCG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>> all conversation and exchanges about these CG activities are carried
>>>> out through the public mailing list
>>>> (private exchanges are not part of the CG activities as such)  This is
>>>> why meetings should be publicly announced
>>>> on the mailing list and discussions/decisions documented in some form
>>>> (I now understand that the meetings you are coordinating every other
>>>> tuesday are about stratml adoption rather than about the CG activities in
>>>> general)
>>>>
>>>> Look forward to learn more about what you have in mind for KRID
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> pdm
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 10:07 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Strongly suggest that the CG not be copied on one to one discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020, 9:56 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>> yes, we agreed to continue the discussion via email
>>>>>> and I have posted the questions in an email to follow up our agreement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but now I dont understand why Paul is replying - you mentioned KRID
>>>>>> as your own contribution
>>>>>> (if I remember correctly)  I would have expected the reply to come
>>>>>> from you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no preconditions on any topics, and I dont understand what is
>>>>>> prompting your question
>>>>>> what makes you ask?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:52 AM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paola
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have agreed to continue our discussions via email .. if you have
>>>>>>> preconditions about what topics can be included please let everyone know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020, 9:43 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  simply trying to figure out what type of values you identify in
>>>>>>>> the KRID according to what logic and schema
>>>>>>>> and where (what domain) would that be applicable to and to solve
>>>>>>>> what problem-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont have an expectation as such -  but I figure anything that
>>>>>>>> makes sense would do
>>>>>>>> when I asked the question to Carl what exactly is KRID ( the KRID
>>>>>>>> proposal emanated from Carl, so I expect Carl to send replies if this
>>>>>>>> proposal comes from you, maybe you need to clarify that also)
>>>>>>>> he said he would see a top level distinction between declarative
>>>>>>>> and procedural
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i then sent an email pondering a few points about that and you
>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>> Please start a document where you specify what is KRID and how you
>>>>>>>> envision it to work
>>>>>>>> then we can talk about it' at the moment, it is very difficult to
>>>>>>>> have an intelligent exchange about it :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pdm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:32 AM carl mattocks <
>>>>>>>> carlmattocks@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paola et Al
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please outline your expectations for a taxonomy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 23, 2020, 9:18 PM Paola Di Maio <
>>>>>>>>> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul-
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reply
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *  In the parsing of a StratML XSD I found that:  *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is what the question is about -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What did you parse the text with?
>>>>>>>>>> Please share the parser and the output so that we can make better
>>>>>>>>>> sense of your observations?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pdm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 4:19 AM Paul Alagna <pjalagna@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> namespace hiccup2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <Paola> pls say how did you process the file- </
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you meant by your question
>>>>>>>>>>> but it sounded to me like "how did you get to realize this?" So,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll answer that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from the initial white space, the area of information for
>>>>>>>>>>> an XML / XSD document is the beginning brace character "<" up to but not
>>>>>>>>>>> including the next brace character "<"; inner split by a ">" token.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IE <stuff1>stuff2|"<" this "area of information" is also known
>>>>>>>>>>> as a "fragment"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The XSD standard has rules about what information items are
>>>>>>>>>>> contained in "stuff1" and "stuff2"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In "stuff1" attributes are recorded in the format
>>>>>>>>>>> attributeName="attributeValue". If an attribute name is further split into:
>>>>>>>>>>> namespaceName ":" localName then further processing is called
>>>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The XSD standard for namespaces says that a secondary XSD of
>>>>>>>>>>> that namespace exists and that a workflow (XSD fragment) for the localName
>>>>>>>>>>> will exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is accomplished through 3 part mechanism:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1-the namaspace XSD file is declared in the schema statement
>>>>>>>>>>> using the "xmlns:" prefix such as <schema xmlns:foo="http//foo---" (oddly
>>>>>>>>>>> without the .xsd ending )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2- the namespace required is named in the attribute name AND/OR
>>>>>>>>>>> value.
>>>>>>>>>>> like: <element xsd:ref="foo:Fullname"
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3- that an XSD record exists in the namespace XSD:
>>>>>>>>>>> IE <element name=localName-----..</element> existing in foo.xsd
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the parsing of a StratML XSD I found that:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The StratML.xsd calls for a stratml:Name and but the schema
>>>>>>>>>>> pointer "xmlns:stratml=" does NOT point to a valid URI.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is from the StratML.xsd itself
>>>>>>>>>>> xmlns:stratml="urn:ISO:std:iso:17469:tech:xsd:stratml_core"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> After a little digging I made the assumption that the usage
>>>>>>>>>>> intended was to use the StratML.xsd as the secondary namespace XSD, in
>>>>>>>>>>> addition to being the guiding XSD for stratML XML reports.  Because the
>>>>>>>>>>> <element name="Name" XSD fragment does exist in this very
>>>>>>>>>>> document, I can continue on. "I" can continue because I'm a human.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any automatic processes like the AIKR information extraction
>>>>>>>>>>> tools we are defining and building MUST follow the rules laid out by our
>>>>>>>>>>> standards and the standards we dictate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? , comments?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> PAUL ALAGNA
>>>>>>>>>>> PJAlagna@Gmail.com <PJAlagna@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> 732-322-5641
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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