Re: Definition of Normative

Thank you Owen

Yes, I know of the many definitions of normative

thanks for the pointer to de facto (although I do not use wikipedia as a
source)
what about ''normative definition''?

we may have to define the expression
what is a normative definition

am I being too pedantic?
PDM

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:09 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

> Here's Wikipedia's description of the meaning of "normative" in the
> standards development space:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative#Standards_documents
>
> It seems to me that the relevant distinction is *de jure* versus *de
> facto.  *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure v.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto
>
> *De facto* trumps *de jure* in most, if not necessarily all cases, at
> least in the "free" world -- where "voluntary consensus standards" are the
> norm.
>
> Wikipedia redirects a "voluntary consensus standard" query to this
> reference <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization>, wherein four
> levels and four techniques of standardization are referenced:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization#Process
>
> The aim of the StratML standard is to *enable* individuals and
> organizations to work more efficiently and effectively together in pursuit
> of common and complementary objectives.  To suggest that they be forced to
> do so, seems like a contradiction in terms... or at least to invite
> counterproductive resistance.
>
> Owen
> On 3/27/2020 9:40 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>
> Thanks Carl
> glad you think so
>
> normative as in....
> because things are changing all the time//
>
> actually, could not find a definition of 'normative definition'
>
> is there a source
>
> we dont really have a global jurisdiction byt w3c is global
> can we assume that we aim to do here is normative
> shall we call upon authors who have used HOR in their papers
> and invite them to collaborate on a normative definition?
>
> pointers to a process to deliver a normative definition?
>
>
> P
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:43 PM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. A normative definition for HOR would be very useful
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 11:28 PM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to reference formally the following concepts and have not found a
>>> good enough source
>>>
>>> *Harms* of allocation refers to unfairly assigned opportunities or
>>> resources due to algorithmic intervention.
>>>
>>> *Harms of representation* refers to algorithmically filtered depictions
>>> that are discriminatory.
>>>
>>> https://machinesgonewrong.com/bias_i/
>>>
>>> I wonder if:
>>> we should aim to include these definitions in our work
>>> are there other types of harm not included in this classification
>>> does someone know of a suitable citation/source other thank this web
>>> page which is great
>>> we should reference harm in our work where relevant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>