Re: A model of Systemic Bias 1

Milton
Please share with us the work you are doing AI KR including any alternative
models/diagrams you may have,  In case we missed it
so that we can include it  in the  CG report
P

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 11:08 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Paola,
>
> I must emphatically ask "work being done by WHOM"????!!!! Your erratic
> behavior is unbecoming and pardon my French, but the eerie feeling I am
> getting is that ONE person is setting the tone for everything we do in this
> AIKR CG.
>
> And your world view of AI and KR my dear, frankly SUCKS.
>
> I was being considerate in expressing that I disagree with your diagram.
> But now Ii must emphatically stress the fact that it is wrong. Period.
>
> I am Dutch of birth, Dutch by academic education and Dutch in most of the
> things I do. Bluntly said, I do not like the road you are taking us on with
> this AI KR CG. And criticism and academic dissent do not agree or sit well
> with you.
>
> Do not think you can preside over this CG like it is your personal fiefdom.
>
> And I would appreciate some of the members of this CG also address the
> issue of where we want to go with this AI KR CG.
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 8:29:21 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <
> paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Milton'
> Thanks for your input
> What you suggest is interesting but not in the scope of the work being done
> we ll wait for your diagram at your convenience
> P
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:19 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Paola
>
> The sensory input must factor in four categories, physical sciences,
> social sciences, life and bio sciences and philosophy.
>
> Each of these four fields have different paradigms for application of the
> the scientific method, in practice resulting in either statistical, quantum
> or deterministic bias.
>
> And there are the issues of Sensory data and Sensory perception, which for
> quantum physicists and Buddhist philosophers alike are well known issues,
> that come into play.
>
> Choosing to observe and record data about (a system of)  objects creates
> statistical and deterministic and/or quantum bias, and it can be either at
> the observed, perceived or recorded data level.
>
> There is another way of visualizing bias by using an optical diagram with
> a focal point (lens), the observed object left of the focal point and
> perceived/recorded object right of the of the focal point. Using
> intersecting lines that go through the focal point, you get two cones.
>
> The right cone incorporates the bias. The deterministic, statistical and
> quantum bias created at sense data level create an out of focus imaging
> from observation to recording in the optical diagram.
>
> I hope you can figure out how to put this an a diagram. I am swamped in
> work, and do not have the time to digitally create what is needed in a
> diagram.
>
> cheers
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Monday, July 6, 2020, 8:29:01 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <
> paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Milton,
> Thanks
>  I am interested to hear alternative views - if they make sense, I ll
> incorporate them
>
> The diagram represents factors contributing to systemic bias there is no
> spiral in the diagram as such, however, your perceptual bias, which is the
> first level of entanglement of systemic bias, may lead you to see this as a
> spiral
> Somewhat your comment proves the point that the first level of bias may be
> perceptual (sensory)
>
> if you notice, there are no inputs
> in any of the factors-
> Perceptual bias is however based on sensory input, like cognitive bias is
> based on knowledge input
> If this diagram evolves into a causal map, that may be a good idea to have
> second level diagram
> witht the input factors-
>
>   Please provide an alternative diagram showing your view of systemic
> bias, if you have any?
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:33 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The diagram is based on deterministic worldview. Our world is quantum
> physical and deterministic. And unfortunately I must disagree with the
> outward spiraling sequence. I see no sensory input item there.
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:04:51 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <
> paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In relation to an earlier exchange, where I suggested that KR can be used
> to reduce systemic bias, I am sharing with our CGs a characterization of
> systemic bias - since it is poorly defined
> in the literature.   There is an element of cognitive bias which I hope
> can be of interest to  CogAI
> The model is part of a research project on (KR) Neurosymbolic IntegrationI
> am offering it also for evaluation/discussion and eventually will be
> included as a deliverable (when eventually we get to publish a CG report)
> I am working of part 2 of the model which drills into other aspects
> of systemic bias, will follow
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