Re: A model of Systemic Bias 1

Dear Paola,

I must emphatically ask "work being done by WHOM"????!!!! Your erratic behavior is unbecoming and pardon my French, but the eerie feeling I am getting is that ONE person is setting the tone for everything we do in this AIKR CG.
And your world view of AI and KR my dear, frankly SUCKS.
I was being considerate in expressing that I disagree with your diagram. But now Ii must emphatically stress the fact that it is wrong. Period.
I am Dutch of birth, Dutch by academic education and Dutch in most of the things I do. Bluntly said, I do not like the road you are taking us on with this AI KR CG. And criticism and academic dissent do not agree or sit well with you.
Do not think you can preside over this CG like it is your personal fiefdom.
And I would appreciate some of the members of this CG also address the issue of where we want to go with this AI KR CG.

Milton Ponson
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PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
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    On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 8:29:21 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Milton'Thanks for your inputWhat you suggest is interesting but not in the scope of the work being donewe ll wait for your diagram at your convenienceP
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:19 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Paola

The sensory input must factor in four categories, physical sciences, social sciences, life and bio sciences and philosophy.
Each of these four fields have different paradigms for application of the the scientific method, in practice resulting in either statistical, quantum or deterministic bias.

And there are the issues of Sensory data and Sensory perception, which for quantum physicists and Buddhist philosophers alike are well known issues, that come into play.
Choosing to observe and record data about (a system of)  objects creates statistical and deterministic and/or quantum bias, and it can be either at the observed, perceived or recorded data level.
There is another way of visualizing bias by using an optical diagram with a focal point (lens), the observed object left of the focal point and perceived/recorded object right of the of the focal point. Using intersecting lines that go through the focal point, you get two cones.
The right cone incorporates the bias. The deterministic, statistical and quantum bias created at sense data level create an out of focus imaging from observation to recording in the optical diagram.
I hope you can figure out how to put this an a diagram. I am swamped in work, and do not have the time to digitally create what is needed in a diagram.
cheers

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development 

    On Monday, July 6, 2020, 8:29:01 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Milton, Thanks I am interested to hear alternative views - if they make sense, I ll incorporate them
The diagram represents factors contributing to systemic bias there is no spiral in the diagram as such, however, your perceptual bias, which is the first level of entanglement of systemic bias, may lead you to see this as a spiralSomewhat your comment proves the point that the first level of bias may be perceptual (sensory)
if you notice, there are no inputsin any of the factors- Perceptual bias is however based on sensory input, like cognitive bias is based on knowledge inputIf this diagram evolves into a causal map, that may be a good idea to have second level diagramwitht the input factors-
  Please provide an alternative diagram showing your view of systemic bias, if you have any?  

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 10:33 PM ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:

The diagram is based on deterministic worldview. Our world is quantum physical and deterministic. And unfortunately I must disagree with the outward spiraling sequence. I see no sensory input item there.

Milton Ponson
GSM: +297 747 8280
PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development 

    On Saturday, July 4, 2020, 11:04:51 PM ADT, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 In relation to an earlier exchange, where I suggested that KR can be used to reduce systemic bias, I am sharing with our CGs a characterization of systemic bias - since it is poorly definedin the literature.   There is an element of cognitive bias which I hope can be of interest to  CogAIThe model is part of a research project on (KR) Neurosymbolic IntegrationI am offering it also for evaluation/discussion and eventually will be included as a deliverable (when eventually we get to publish a CG report)I am working of part 2 of the model which drills into other aspectsof systemic bias, will follow