- From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:43:27 -0500
- To: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
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Paola, I share your concern about whether we, as a group, have the capability to deliver results. Thus far our only deliverable of note is your presentation <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uuNFC8IGd6JrYUdqURhXsy7TRuGJABRdzIPQsddbyno/edit#slide=id.g614f316144_0_96> at the IAC conference in Taipei (and I don't if anything may have come of it). It would be good if we could identify one, two, or a few, small deliverables that we can actually produce together in the near term. Whether a briefing by the authors of this article <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14108-y> might be among them depends (as you suggest) on whether more than few members of our group would participate. Short of conducting something like a Doodle poll <https://doodle.com/make-a-poll>, whether others respond to this message thread might be a good indicator of such interest. BTW, I haven't produced any videos and don't spend much, if any, time on YouTube. Nor do I think I'll find the time to do much, if anything, in that regard. However, to the degree that others may, I'd be happy to partner with those having strengths that I lack. Owen On 2/14/2020 12:24 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote: > Owen > > ....Thank you. I am a co-chair of a group where members are encouraged > to take the lead in activities they want to work on. > So far except for stratMLization and two slides one from you and one > from Carl. and a few resources added to Zotero not many members have > actually participated much > > Personally. I do not feel a video call with this group is a priority, > because > I prefer asynchronous activities- it's your idea supported by Carl > which I think is great > (let the politics begin?) > > I have absolutely no problem with issuing an invitation on behalf of > the group although now we have a co-chair. who supports your proposal. > Since he agrees strongly that we should have a videocall perhaps Carl > should issue the invitation? > > Would we want to tell them why we are inviting them to give a > presentation? > (like.... Owen Ambur thinks you should talk to us?) > > My only concern is that so far, there has been limited participation > to group's activities > what about if they accept our invitation and then only one or two > people attend the session? > I d be embarrassed. I also dont like to do things that other people > think should be done > (setting up a video call with FOL) > because I have a lot on my plate just to advance the things which I > think should be done. > > Likewise with you. During our call, Carl suggested 'we should ask > Owen to give a presentation on > StratML' which of course would be a good idea but. would it be worth > to do a session with only 2-3 people in attendance? > Wouldnt it be better that you give a presentation via a youtube video > then everyone > can look at it if interested at their own leisure, and schedule a > call/discussion/panel > > Let us think a bit about this then decide? > > PDM > > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 1:08 PM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net > <mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote: > > Paola, in your role as chair of the CG, it would be appropriate > for you to issue the invitation and, if they agreeable, to > schedule the session. > > Owen > > On 2/13/2020 8:31 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >> Owen and Carl >> please do invite the folks to give us a briefing >> or would you want me to do that? >> PDM >> >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 1:55 AM carl mattocks >> <carlmattocks@gmail.com <mailto:carlmattocks@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Regarding authors of 'role of AI in achieving the SDGs: >> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14108-y ' >> >> I agree we should schedule a televideo conference for them to >> brief us on their AI activities and explore prospects for >> collaboration .. including gain agreement of (their) SDG >> tracking use case for our AIKR work. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> It was a pleasure to clarify >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:09 PM Owen Ambur >> <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net <mailto:Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>> wrote: >> >> According to Wikipedia, intelligence involves perceiving >> the environment and acting to maximize the chance of >> achieving goals. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence The >> article also cites Tesler's Theorem: "AI is whatever >> hasn't been done yet." See also >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect >> >> While it may be possible for intelligent agents to >> decipher goals from unstructured text, it seems likely >> they might be able to more effectively help us achieve >> our goals if we make them explicit in terms of near-term >> objectives and performance indicators. Since that has >> not yet been done on a worldwide scale, why should it not >> begin with us? >> >> There are more than 4,000 plans in the StratML collection >> that can be used for demonstration purposes, including >> the SDGs: https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#UNSDG >> >> As far as I am aware, however, progress against the SDGs >> is not being reported in an open, standard, >> machine-readable format. See, for example, the HTML, CSV >> & PDF at https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/ The >> presentation of the data is actually pretty good. See, >> for example, >> https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/goal-17/ >> >> The problem is that few people know about and take the >> time to view it, much less to do anything about it. >> While making the data available in open, standard, >> machine-readable format would not solve that problem, it >> would make it easier for value-added intermediaries to >> engage stakeholders in ways that are more accessible and >> meaningful to them, e.g., in their own personal and >> organizational/corporate performance plans. From my >> perspective, failing to do so is an example of artificial >> ignorance. >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/artificial-ignorance-owen-ambur/ >> >> Here's an article addressing the role of AI in achieving >> the SDGs: >> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-14108-y It is >> relatively long and unstructured and I haven't taken the >> time to read all of it. However, here some key point: >> >> We therefore recommend that AI applications that >> target SDGs are open and explicit about guiding >> ethical principles, also by indicating explicitly how >> they align with the existing guidelines. >> >> See StratML tool, app, and service requirements Objective >> 8.3: Values Alignment >> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_154473aa-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb> >> & Goal 9: Values Validation >> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15447c10-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb>. >> Those requirements are prime candidates for the >> application of AI. >> >> On the other hand, the lack of interpretability of >> AI, which is currently one of the challenges of AI >> research, adds an additional complication to the >> enforcement of such regulatory actions ... >> >> AI developers and agents should be expected, if not >> required, to document their objectives and performance >> indicators in an open, standard format that is both >> human- and machine-readable. >> >> ... associations such as the Future of Life Institute >> are reviewing and collecting policy actions and >> shared principles around the world to monitor >> progress towards sustainable-development-friendly AI ... >> >> Perhaps we should schedule a televideo conference for >> them to brief us on their AI activities and explore >> prospects for collaboration. >> https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/FLIwStyle.xml >> >> A global and science-driven debate to develop shared >> principles and legislation among nations and cultures >> is necessary to shape a future in which AI positively >> contributes to the achievement of all the SDGs. >> >> Whenever I see calls for legislation and regulation, I >> view it both as a cop out as well as an attempt to >> dictate to others that which we should take upon >> ourselves to do, in partnership with those who share our >> values and objectives. Perhaps those who view it as the >> best way forward should either study the China model ... >> or just stand idly by and wait for them to impose it on >> all of us. For an alternative model, see >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/privately-well-practiced-public-policymaking-owen-ambur/ >> >> Here's a shorter article on AI & the SDGs: >> https://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/home/blog/2019/Using_AI_to_help_achieve_Sustainable_Development_Goals.html >> It suggests, "To improve data accessibility, for example, >> collectors and generators of data, whether governments or >> companies, will need to grant greater access to NGOs and >> others seeking to use the data for public service." >> However, it shows no awareness of the importance of open, >> machine-readable data standards -- perhaps because usage >> of such standards would reduce the need for consultants >> ... or, rather, it would require them to add higher-level >> values than massaging amorphous, aimless data. >> >> With respect to dashboards, see >> https://gcn.com/articles/2017/09/12/yet-another-dashboard.aspx >> & >> https://gcn.com/articles/2017/05/10/machine-readable-data.aspx >> >> >> I look forward to learning what we might be able to do >> together along these lines. >> >> Owen >> >> >> On 2/8/2020 7:55 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>> >>> xml constitutes a structure for language, and certain >>> kinds of AI can be built >>> using structured language expressions >>> >>> PDM >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 1:34 AM >>> ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com >>> <mailto:metadataportals@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Can AI be used on StratML utilizing ontologies to >>> create customizable dashboards for project >>> management and collaboration for large networks of >>> collaborating people from different fields of work? >>> >>> Question is of importance in eGovernment, >>> eGovernance and achieving sustainable development goals. >>> >>> Milton Ponson >>> GSM: +297 747 8280 >>> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad >>> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean >>> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for >>> sustainable development to all stakeholders >>> worldwide through collaborative research on applied >>> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and >>> standards development >>>
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