Re: online bibliography tools

Thanks a lot Mike!

Fantastic and hopefully will encourage others to start contributing -

I may seek advice soon on how to best load my references, currently in
different stypes (some APA, some Harvard, some Bibtex) and different
document types

A lot of reading for all of us ahead,  and definitely a step ahead from the
google spreadsheet
Thank you everyone for not putting too much effort there (we can still use
the spreadsheet to keep track of other group's inputs etc)

Would be great to have a list of references on the topic of KR, this may be
a first of its kind, and could become a very  useful public resource

The problem that I see is çategorization'/grouping (would tags suffice?)

Rgearding the PDFs, we dont have a budget as such, but if its just the
question of paying for some storage, I could come up with a small fund. The
question is how sustainable is that? How many years can any individual
member cover the storage cost, and what will it happen when we are not
around?  So i would suggest we link the PDFs so that they are not stored on
the server, and store where storage is still free ( academia, researchgate
and lots of other free repositories) and in the meantime lets start looking
for the storage,  What about the copyright?  Are we at liberty to upload
probably copyrighted research papers to Zotero's?

Regarding tags, I dont see them being a problem in the sense that they can
be ignored
(am I right?) they should not impact the search and consultation of the
library,

I welcome other people's input and suggestions on how to get around the
issues
above, and any other comment of course

Thank you

PDM


On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:01 PM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have uploaded about 385 articles from my personal Zotero library that I
> think might be of interest to this group. (This is about 10% of my
> library.) This is the first I have synced with a group, and it is slick.
>
> The basic steps are to:
>
>    1. Join the Zotero group
>    2. Sync your local library to the online Zotero (upper right spin icon)
>    3. Search or otherwise extract the items in your local library you
>    think are of interest
>    4. Look to the group library folders (appear in the lower part of the
>    left pane)
>    5. Identify the appropriate group sub-category (what Zotero calls
>    'collections'; I have created a couple of new ones) or create a new
>    sub-category (if you have admin rights)
>    6. Select the items from your search in the middle pane and
>    drag-and-drop to the desired group sub-category
>    7. Once activity ceases (you will be notified if attachments are being
>    forwarded, for example), again sync to the online Zotero (upper right spin
>    icon). THIS STEP IS WHAT ACTUALLY UPDATES THE GROUP LIBRARY.
>
> Obviously, these steps are for moving existing citations from existing
> Zotero libraries to the group one. For new, individual citations, you can
> add them manually by clicking the green icon above the middle screen for
> the relevant sub-category, then follow instructions. I would caution
> contributors to make sure your citations are as complete as possible when
> added, since going back and fixing incomplete entries at a later time will
> likely never happen or incur too much effort.
>
> I can see a couple of issues moving forward. First, I try to find PDFs for
> all of my own citations, and I uploaded those to the group library. Under
> this approach, my own library exceeds 4 GB (3300 PDFs for 4000 citations).
> I can see that storage limits may be a problem for the group. Is there a
> budget for this or are storage limits waived for groups?
>
> Second, my personal tags are the ones that got imported. I can foresee
> over time "tag soup" with all of the issues that traditionally brings.
>
> Like all group efforts, they only succeed if sufficient participants
> participate or contribute. I likely will not be an active maintainer of
> this library, but I will keep managing my own and make contributions of new
> citations on occasion.
>
> Best, Mike
> On 7/20/2019 7:02 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>
> OK -
> i have created a Zotero Group, which has a library
> https://www.zotero.org/groups/2351244/knowledge_representation?
>
> Have opted for closed public group, because open public group does not
> have file storage enabled (have not looked into the benefits of having
> file storage avaialble
> I assume its a plus)
>
> I am not familiar with this platform, and need to find my way around
> (have not yet worked out how to use synch, but have worked out how to
> create entries
> manually using the web interface)
>
> on a very heavy schedule packed with deadlines for the next few weeks, so
> I cant spend time on this now
>
> Can I nominate the folks who responded to this thread, as well as
> anyone else who wishes to volunteer, as Group Admins?
> Can people try to join as members to see if it works? THANKS
>
> I sincerely hope group members will contribute some resources, even just
> the papers they may have published and the bibliographies that they have
> used in their papers
>
> This could easily and quickly become a useful reference for a KR
> community!!
>
> Looks like a straight forward tree structure, with
> The 'file types already set (Journal, Book, etc)
>
> Do we need to create additional cateories, or just use tags?
>
> And for each category, I wonder if the resources can be
> sorted by date, alphabeticaly or using other sort criteria?
> I presume this library could  become gigantic in no time, beetter
> think of its organisation before we start populating it
>
> Please start populating
>
> PDM
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 11:40 PM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for Zotero; it keeps getting more awesome, and has for 10 years.
>>
>> Mike
>> On 7/19/2019 5:03 PM, Amirouche Boubekki wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Le ven. 19 juil. 2019 à 12:12, brandon <brandon@popokotea.org> a écrit :
>>
>>> I've had good experiences thus far with Zotero, but YMMV.  You are right
>>> though, a more relevant resource may make a huge difference.
>>> /Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On Friday, July 19, 2019 9:23 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since the start of this work I have collected an extensive bibliography,
>>> over 1000 citations
>>> Now I realise it may be more productive in the long term to create the
>>> list of resources
>>> using an appropriate tools, but the choice of tools is soo vast.
>>> So now I have two headaches and more
>>>
>>> any recommendations welcome
>>>
>>> https://elearningindustry.com/12-best-free-online-bibliography-and-citation-tools
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe this one?
>>> https://cloudcite.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> When I was working in academia, we relied on zotero.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Amirouche ~ amz3 ~ https://hyper.dev
>>
>> --
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