Fwd: Fwd: Some comments on the description of this group

Viorel and all
I just realised that it may not be as obvious as I thought, apologies
(this always happens)

Own kindly  requested a wiki some time ago, an we have one
https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/wiki

Viorel, do you manage to create a page and enter your text and images and/or
upload the doc attached?

The wiki is linked at the bottom of the AIKR CG home page
as the group page description is not editable I have not yet entered the
link to the wiki
(but now shall do immediately)




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From: Viorel Milea <milea.danviorel@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Some comments on the description of this group
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Hi Paola,

Not sure where to upload the attached description.

Kin regards,

Viorel


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On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:55 AM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Viorel
>
> thank you,
>
> I wonder if you could give a brief narrative description of this diagram,
> some commentary and context
>
> You should be able to upload it/link the image and narrative  to our
> group's pages, let me know
> if you need help with that
>
>
> Dr Paola Di Maio
>
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> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 10:22 PM Viorel Milea <milea.danviorel@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Paola,
>>
>> Perhaps the attached diagram will be useful.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Viorel
>>
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>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM Vinay K. Chaudhri <
>> vinay_chaudhri@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paola,
>>>
>>> For R&N, please see:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Approach-Stuart-Russell/dp/9332543518/
>>>
>>> For AAAI's efforts in this area, please see:
>>> https://aitopics.org/misc/about
>>>
>>> There is, obviously, room for contribution.
>>>
>>> These days to impact web standards, a viable approach seems to be to
>>> join an internet company (or at least, start by securing their support :-)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Vinay.
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2018 12:25 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> Vinay
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for your questions, see my comments below  in italics
>>> but of course , everyone, please feel free to address Vinay's qs as you
>>> see fit
>>> although I initiated this, it belongs to all members
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~
>>>> The overall goal/mission of this community group is to explore the
>>>> requirements, best practices and implementation options for the
>>>> conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge in AI.
>>>> ~~~~~
>>>> "Conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge" reminds of
>>>> the expert systems era and a family of techniques that have little overlap
>>>> with the current ML approaches. While in silicon valley, ML and AI are
>>>> largely used interchangeably, those with some historical perspective,
>>>> recognize the evolution of techniques. For consider this video that
>>>> explains the DARPA perspective on AI to encompass three phases of AI.
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O01G3tSYpU
>>>>
>>>
>>> *thanks *
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It will be helpful for this group to refine its description of the set
>>>> of AI techniques that are of interest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> *thanks, I ll watch and take input but everyone feel free!*
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> We plan to place particular emphasis on the identification and the
>>>> representation of AI facets and various aspects (technology, legislation,
>>>> ethics etc) with the purpose to facilitate knowledge exchange and reuse.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> The above statement, even though, appears agnostic to the specific
>>>> technique being used, but really pertains to the second phase (ie,
>>>> ML-oriented) techniques.
>>>>
>>>
>>> *uhm, why do you think so? If anything  it refers to multifaceting of
>>> knowledge domain modelling tech**niques (thats where I get the idea
>>> from) but it could be that multifaceting also used in ML? *
>>>
>>>   These days we do not hear too many people talking about the
>>>> legislation and ethics around the first-phase (ie, rule-based) techniques.
>>>>
>>>> *part of the problem we are trying to address, perhaps? *
>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~
>>>> Therefore the proposed outcomes could be instrumental to research and
>>>> advancement of science and inquiry, as well as to increase the level of
>>>> public awareness in general to enable learning and participation.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~
>>>> There are other efforts to educate public about AI. E.g., there is an
>>>> AI for K-12 initiative, and AAAI engages in considerable outreach to
>>>> general community. It is not clear to me why a W3C group needs to be
>>>> devoted to this problem.
>>>>
>>>> *the way I see it:  *
>>> *'education' is not just for schools, but for everyone who continues to
>>> learn-and we must*
>>>
>>>    - *AI (in various forms) are powering our information systems AND
>>>    the web (the way the web works, and the doesnt work etc)*
>>>    - *W3C is among other things a standardization body for the web*
>>>    - *plus:  W3C community groups and workgroups are  highly
>>>    collaborative, open to read and write, and fairly inclusive by design*
>>>    - *If  *we manage to construct somethingk, this could become a WG
>>>    and possibly a starndard
>>>
>>>
>>> These  reasons for me* make a unique and compelling argument in support
>>> of an open collaborative forum which could serve **XAI among other
>>> things*
>>> *do we need a web stardard for XAI?  I think so, maybe*
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> * Proposed outcomes:*
>>>>
>>>>    - A comprehensive list of open access resources
>>>>    <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/knowledge-sources-for-ai-kr/>
>>>>    in both AI and KR (useful to teaching and research)
>>>>    - A set of metadata
>>>>    <https://www.w3..org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/metadata/>
>>>>    derived from these resources
>>>>    - A concept map <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/concept-maps/>
>>>>    of the domain
>>>>    - A natural language vocabulary to represent various aspects of AI
>>>>    - One or more encoding/implementations/ machine language version of
>>>>    the vocabulary, such as ChatBot Natural Language Understanding & Natural
>>>>    Language Generation
>>>>    - Methods for KR management, especially Natural Language Learning /
>>>>    Semantic Memory
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> These sound like useful set of outcomes, but it is not clear who are
>>>> they meant for, and who is it going to use them?
>>>> There may already exist such resources in some sub-areas, e.g., NLP
>>>> tools, ontology editors, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> *The problem that I think we face is that there is 'no shared
>>> conceptualization' for AI (using an old metaphore) and no common language
>>> (the same argument that we would make if we wanted to come up with, say an
>>> ontology for AI.  I have not seen any resources or public effort devoted to
>>> this, but if you do please point is, because a collaboration would
>>> definitely be on, I think*
>>>
>>> There is also some degree of coverage of these topics in the standard
>>>> textbooks such as R&N.
>>>>
>>> *url plz?  the degree of coverage I have seen so far is not fit for
>>> purpose (see above) but again, please point us*
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you proposing to write a book? build a catalogue?
>>>>
>>> either/both/neither
>>> *I am not proposing anything at the moment, but the ideas above sound
>>> good if useful*
>>> *we could also do a movie :-) (or rather an educational video)*
>>> *what I personally aim for is to clarify what is AI (for the purpose of
>>> accountability and reliability) since there is a lot of hype and confusion
>>> being propagated at the moment*
>>>
>>>
>>>> Should you be working with AAAI on these?
>>>>
>>> *I am a member o AAAI (or I was at some point) is there a discussion
>>> group on AI?*
>>> *A web page? please feel free to enter related efforts in the google
>>> form linked on the group home page, or post here *
>>>
>>>
>>>> How would you maintain them as things change?
>>>>
>>> *If there are people devoted to the maintenance, future generations can
>>> maintain*
>>> *if nobody is around to follow up, the outcomes would become frozen in
>>> time, or fossilized*
>>> *as a testimony of our restlessness around the issues at hand*
>>>
>>> Tell us more about you
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Best Wishes,
>>>> Vinay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>