Re: Fwd: Some comments on the description of this group

Dear Paola,

Perhaps the attached diagram will be useful.

Kind regards,

Viorel


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11/01/18,
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:03 PM Vinay K. Chaudhri <vinay_chaudhri@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Paola,
>
> For R&N, please see:
> https://www.amazon.com/Artificial-Intelligence-Approach-Stuart-Russell/dp/9332543518/
>
> For AAAI's efforts in this area, please see:
> https://aitopics.org/misc/about
>
> There is, obviously, room for contribution.
>
> These days to impact web standards, a viable approach seems to be to join
> an internet company (or at least, start by securing their support :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Vinay.
>
> On 10/31/2018 12:25 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>
> Vinay
>
> Thanks a lot for your questions, see my comments below  in italics
> but of course , everyone, please feel free to address Vinay's qs as you
> see fit
> although I initiated this, it belongs to all members
>
>>
>> ~~~~~
>> The overall goal/mission of this community group is to explore the
>> requirements, best practices and implementation options for the
>> conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge in AI.
>> ~~~~~
>> "Conceptualization and specification of domain knowledge" reminds of the
>> expert systems era and a family of techniques that have little overlap with
>> the current ML approaches. While in silicon valley, ML and AI are largely
>> used interchangeably, those with some historical perspective, recognize the
>> evolution of techniques. For consider this video that explains the DARPA
>> perspective on AI to encompass three phases of AI.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O01G3tSYpU
>>
>
> *thanks *
>
>>
>> It will be helpful for this group to refine its description of the set of
>> AI techniques that are of interest.
>>
>
> *thanks, I ll watch and take input but everyone feel free!*
>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> We plan to place particular emphasis on the identification and the
>> representation of AI facets and various aspects (technology, legislation,
>> ethics etc) with the purpose to facilitate knowledge exchange and reuse.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> The above statement, even though, appears agnostic to the specific
>> technique being used, but really pertains to the second phase (ie,
>> ML-oriented) techniques.
>>
>
> *uhm, why do you think so? If anything  it refers to multifaceting of
> knowledge domain modelling tech**niques (thats where I get the idea from)
> but it could be that multifaceting also used in ML? *
>
>   These days we do not hear too many people talking about the legislation
>> and ethics around the first-phase (ie, rule-based) techniques.
>>
>> *part of the problem we are trying to address, perhaps? *
>
>> ~~~~~~~~
>> Therefore the proposed outcomes could be instrumental to research and
>> advancement of science and inquiry, as well as to increase the level of
>> public awareness in general to enable learning and participation.
>> ~~~~~~~~~
>> There are other efforts to educate public about AI. E.g., there is an AI
>> for K-12 initiative, and AAAI engages in considerable outreach to general
>> community. It is not clear to me why a W3C group needs to be devoted to
>> this problem.
>>
>> *the way I see it:  *
> *'education' is not just for schools, but for everyone who continues to
> learn-and we must*
>
>    - *AI (in various forms) are powering our information systems AND the
>    web (the way the web works, and the doesnt work etc)*
>    - *W3C is among other things a standardization body for the web*
>    - *plus:  W3C community groups and workgroups are  highly
>    collaborative, open to read and write, and fairly inclusive by design*
>    - *If  *we manage to construct somethingk, this could become a WG and
>    possibly a starndard
>
>
> These  reasons for me* make a unique and compelling argument in support
> of an open collaborative forum which could serve **XAI among other things*
> *do we need a web stardard for XAI?  I think so, maybe*
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> * Proposed outcomes:*
>>
>>    - A comprehensive list of open access resources
>>    <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/knowledge-sources-for-ai-kr/>
>>    in both AI and KR (useful to teaching and research)
>>    - A set of metadata
>>    <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/welcome/ai-kr-task-list/metadata/>
>>    derived from these resources
>>    - A concept map <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/concept-maps/> of
>>    the domain
>>    - A natural language vocabulary to represent various aspects of AI
>>    - One or more encoding/implementations/ machine language version of
>>    the vocabulary, such as ChatBot Natural Language Understanding & Natural
>>    Language Generation
>>    - Methods for KR management, especially Natural Language Learning /
>>    Semantic Memory
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> These sound like useful set of outcomes, but it is not clear who are they
>> meant for, and who is it going to use them?
>> There may already exist such resources in some sub-areas, e.g., NLP
>> tools, ontology editors, etc.
>>
>
> *The problem that I think we face is that there is 'no shared
> conceptualization' for AI (using an old metaphore) and no common language
> (the same argument that we would make if we wanted to come up with, say an
> ontology for AI.  I have not seen any resources or public effort devoted to
> this, but if you do please point is, because a collaboration would
> definitely be on, I think*
>
> There is also some degree of coverage of these topics in the standard
>> textbooks such as R&N.
>>
> *url plz?  the degree of coverage I have seen so far is not fit for
> purpose (see above) but again, please point us*
>
>
>> Are you proposing to write a book? build a catalogue?
>>
> either/both/neither
> *I am not proposing anything at the moment, but the ideas above sound good
> if useful*
> *we could also do a movie :-) (or rather an educational video)*
> *what I personally aim for is to clarify what is AI (for the purpose of
> accountability and reliability) since there is a lot of hype and confusion
> being propagated at the moment*
>
>
>> Should you be working with AAAI on these?
>>
> *I am a member o AAAI (or I was at some point) is there a discussion group
> on AI?*
> *A web page? please feel free to enter related efforts in the google form
> linked on the group home page, or post here *
>
>
>> How would you maintain them as things change?
>>
> *If there are people devoted to the maintenance, future generations can
> maintain*
> *if nobody is around to follow up, the outcomes would become frozen in
> time, or fossilized*
> *as a testimony of our restlessness around the issues at hand*
>
> Tell us more about you
>
>
>
>> Best Wishes,
>> Vinay.
>>
>>
>>
>