Re: welcome newcomers subgroups, home page and categories

Personally I am very comfortable  using cross-walks between entity
frameworks . Such as, concepts of ontologies [declared with RDF/owl nuts
and bolts] that map to concepts of an IOT thesaurus declared with
ranganathaan  *facet * categories of personality, energy, matter, space,
and time. The fun part is agreeing what is used to create the 'map'. I
quite like RuleML Grailog   http://www.cs.unb.ca/~boley/
talks/RuleMLGrailog.pdf

I look forward to reading your paper
Carl

It was a pleasure to clarify

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 3:15 PM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My category theory approach makes sure we do not overlook anything.
> Ontologies are at the "nuts and bolts"  level.
>
> Artificial intelligence currently has an anthropocentric point of view,
> which results in a myopia.
>
> Using category theory we define entities, sentient entities, cognitive
> entities, intelligent entities and technological entities, where at the
> entities level, we consider real physical universe entities, digital
> entities, virtual entities and abstract domain entities, all other entities
> exist in the real physical world.
>
> All will become clear as soon as I get the paper out.
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:55 AM, carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I believe the ontology building approach is the best way to ensure
> formulation of AIKR concept definitions have sufficient rigor.Thus,
> definitions of concepts old and new are framed by our work goals.
>
> Carl
>
> It was a pleasure to clarify
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> actually, Carl
> in addition to new definitions for existing concepts
> there are 'new concepts' coming up every day that need defining
>
> is the vocabulary entry form  adequate for your suggested
> process or if you suggest changes,
> should we add a category 'new concept' or if you d like to set up
> a new form entirely for 'new concept' where formal definitions not yet
> exist?
>
> PDM
>
> Dr Paola Di Maio
> Center For Technology Ethics
>
> ISTCS.org
> Chair: W3C AIKR  <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/>
>
>
> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>*
>
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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:56 PM, carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I support including concept definitions for AI and KR and the compound
> AIKR in an AIKR Upper Ontology .. especially if they employ or are employed
> as normative references
>
> Carl
>
> It was a pleasure to clarify
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Carl
>
> t thanks for the suggestion and link
>  but then, we may have to agree on a definition for ;new;
> are AI and KR new concepts? or are we trying to create new definitions for
> existing concepts
> Lol
> (disclosure: I belong to the pedantic camp)
>
> Dr Paola Di Maio
> Center For Technology Ethics
>
> ISTCS.org
> Chair: W3C AIKR  <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/>
>
>
> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>*
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:56 PM, carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> To help progress .. please consider using a page with content similar to
> 'concept creation' guidelines
>
>
>    -
>       - 1.1 What sort of 'thing' is this proposed concept anyway?
>       <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#What_sort_of_.27thing.27_is_this_proposed_concept_anyway.3F>
>       - 1.2 How to decide? Is it important?
>       <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#How_to_decide.3F_Is_it_important.3F>
>       - 1.3 Understanding context
>       <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#Understanding_context>
>       - 1.4 The "Conversation" is valuable
>       <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#The_.22Conversation.22_is_valuable>
>    - 2 Using a Meta-Model (or two)
>    <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#Using_a_Meta-Model_.28or_two.29>
>    - 3 Create a new proposed Concept
>    <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines#Create_a_new_proposed_Concept>
>
> https://wiki.idesg.kantarainit iative.org/wiki/index.php/Conc
> ept_Creation_Guidelines
> <https://wiki.idesg.kantarainitiative.org/wiki/index.php/Concept_Creation_Guidelines>
>
> Carl Mattocks
>
> It was a pleasure to clarify
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 1:55 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thank you Milton
>
> Do you have a way you'd like to propose the way forward?
>
> Shall we just create two pages, where we collect existing definitions and
> come up with our own
> definition that possibly encompasses them all, thus delivers the broadest
> possible meaning?
>
> Should the group be the 'owner' of these two definitions?
>
> Let me know if you can initiate these two pages
>
> P
>
> Dr Paola Di Maio
> Center For Technology Ethics
>
> ISTCS.org
> Chair: W3C AIKR  <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/>
>
>
> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>*
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 3:21 AM, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <
> metadataportals@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Paola and other members of the AIKR community group.
>
> Two things we need to establish to reach a consensus of the area we are
> going to deal with.
>
> Number one: the broadest possible definition of what constitutes
> "artificial intelligence" and number two what constitutes "knowledge
> representation" also in the broadest possible sense.
>
> Only then can we assess what grounds we want or need to cover.
>
> It is for that reason I proposed to create and overview map of what
> currently constitutes AI and related disciplines.
>
> But I am also writing a definition paper using category theory to
> establish a generalized framework which introduces all possible categories
> of interacting entities, and utilizes a system to define boundaries for AI
> for interaction, as suggested by the likes of Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk,
> Kurzweil and countless others.
>
> regards
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: Bringing the ICT tools for sustainable development to
> all stakeholders worldwide through collaborative research on applied
> mathematics, advanced modeling, software and standards development
>
>
> On Sunday, July 15, 2018 2:41 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Welcome newcomers (22 members!)
> there's a thread in the mailing list to intro yourselves at your
> convenience
>
> Based on other work, and anticipating future developments
> (Milton mentioned subgroups) I have created a page subgroups, and opened
> two additional pages as containers for future subgroups where some work may
> be needed (AI Ethics KR and Professional schemas).
> Feel free to edit, add, enter etc
> https://www.w3.org/community/a ikr/subgroups/
> <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/subgroups/>
>
> This is a bit ahead of us perhaps but things are moving fast to have the
> pages may be cognitive support. The professional schema entry may need
> better wording, I have not thought it property yet.
>
> I have two issues with our home page, maybe W3C folks on this list can
> assist?
>
> Here
> https://www.w3.org/community/a ikr/ <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/>
>
>
> 1. The main text area of the page contains some duplicate text, I dont
> seem to be able to edit/access the upper portion of the group description,
> I have pinged Veronica Thom about this but have not yet had any reply.
> Maybe this was created by staff and I cannot edit? can someone assist
>
> 2. On the right hand sidebar, where it says 'categories'
> the categories which I created are not listed, can someone help?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> PDM
>
> Dr Paola Di Maio
> Center For Technology Ethics
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> ISTCS.org
> Chair: W3C AIKR  <https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/>
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> *A bit about me <https://about.me/paoladimaio>*
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