Re: APA Adapt Task Force Teleconference - Monday 30 Jan 2023 Agenda

Hi all,

Thanks to Janina, the minutes for today's very interesting call are at https://www.w3.org/2023/01/30-adapt-minutes.html and repeated below in text form for convenient searching.

Best regards,


Matthew

                  WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference

30 January 2023

   [2]IRC log.

      [2] https://www.w3.org/2023/01/30-adapt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          janina, Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, Maud, mike_beganyi,
          Sharon, SuzanneTaylor

   Regrets
          -

   Chair
          Sharon

   Scribe
          janina

Contents

    1. [3]Welcomes & introductions
    2. [4]Accessibility for Children Community Group

Meeting minutes

   <matatk> present!

  Welcomes & introductions

   Intros in progress ...

   Reminder to have people type in "present+" for the sake of
   logging participation on this call

   Also invites people to use "q+" to raise hand when desiring to
   speak

  Accessibility for Children Community Group

   SuzanneTaylor: Notes wish to establish communications between
   their CG and Adapt TF; what feedback mechanism

   SuzanneTaylor: Notes our spec has been reviewed in the CG

   SuzanneTaylor: notes 'simplification' as particularly
   interesting

   SuzanneTaylor: Having an additional simplification related tag
   for content vs. UI would be helpful

   SuzanneTaylor: wondering whether it's time to build a browser
   extension to test approaches

   SuzanneTaylor: recalls Bob's presentation in the CG on the 19th

   SuzanneTaylor: even an svg image set of alternatives

   bob: Yes, a demo of a several year old NSF funded research
   project looking at ways of marking ed content based on learner
   need; select, sequence, and render to best learning needs plus
   a11y

   bob: Now dusting that work off to see where there may be
   opportunities

   bob: Most important aspect of our work was to establish an
   ontology based on what we know both about a11y and about
   pedagogy

   <Zakim> janina, you wanted to respond on feedback and on our
   taxonomy

   <Maud> Here are the summary notes (minutes) of our last
   accessibility for children meeting with Bob's presentation)
   [5]https://www.w3.org/community/accessibility4children/wiki/

   Meeting_Notes#Second_Meeting_.28January.2C_19_2023.29

      [5] https://www.w3.org/community/accessibility4children/wiki/Meeting_Notes#Second_Meeting_.28January.2C_19_2023.29


   janina: Notes that PRs to Explainer with exampfles would be
   great

   janina: Also, don't trip over current adapt-* names; we may
   generalize

   matatk: Notes discussions from TPAC relating to what content
   you want, and whalt you don't

   matatk: notes the shopping example is hard coded, not based on
   our thinking

   matatk: what is hard coded in that example certainly meets
   certain needs; but may not be the need in all situations, i.e.
   the content exluded on one viewing may be the desired content
   in the next viewing

   matatk: Would be good to be able to encode based on a specific
   user profile/needs list

   SuzanneTaylor: Yes, we looked at shopping ...

   SuzanneTaylor: initial comment was "how do we know?"

   SuzanneTaylor: abut thinking about user control, it could
   exemplify tech helping users chunk content for easier
   comprehension which could eventually make the unsimplified UI
   alone OK

   SuzanneTaylor: chunking could give us opportunity to explain
   what's shown and how to relate to it

   SuzanneTaylor: asks whether they should take next step, or us
   look at Bob's ontology

   janina: Invites CG to add to Explainer; meanwhile Adapt should
   look at Bob's ontology

   SuzanneTaylor: Will advise when CG takes this up

   SuzanneTaylor: We have productive mtgs--next this Thursday with
   Adapt followup, will try for early draft

   SuzanneTaylor: will ask group re next steps in that mtg as well

   bob: Will take this opportunity to shore up old NSF
   documentation and provide Adapt an ontology to study

   bob: Notes it's hard, because cognitive is a
   challenge--everything seems important!

   Maud: We also try to look at stats and research re chil.dren in
   our CG

   Maud: Notes it's sometimes difficult to justify a choice

   janina: notes teaching music by learning ernding first, then
   the section before it, etc., in order to always be moving to
   something familiar

   SuzanneTaylor: notes a similar approachbeing overwhelmed by too
   many steps in math, so chunking the math could avoid
   intimidation and work toward the whole

   SuzanneTaylor: sounds like we have excellent next steps

   matatk: don't want to say much until seeing Bob's ontology, but
   thinking about different criteria may in fact not be
   "simplification," or whatever

   matatk: But also a lot of data on people's interests and needs;
   probably standard formats and systems

   matatk: might give us a path back to their content

   matatk: will be interesting to see what they've done

   Sharon: Noted Matthew's question on search; doesn't take the
   place of what you can, and can't pick. It doesn't make the page
   easier to read even when you pick

   janina: notes it's too easy to buy the wrong thing in a
   shopping cart that doesn't actually restrict rendering to
   choices user has indicated

   janina: why would they? they want the revenue

   matatk: so it's a definitional question, what constitutes the
   simplified

   matatk: it's not just simple to complex linearly

   matatk: also, is this UI or content?

   matatk: We'll want a follow-on conversation once we've looked
   at the ontoloty

   Sharon: also where the use cases will help

   Sharon: often it's both because they come out of a db

   Sharon: seems with enough knowledge about a particular user,
   you could build a more effective UI/content digestion approach

   matatk: Glad we enforced that we need to classify properties of
   content -- that may, or may not actually be a 'distraction.'

   matatk: there's nothing intrinsic that's always 'distraction.'

   matatk: it just depends on what one is after

   matatk: adapt-simplification may just be the wrong name

   Sharon: believe we discussedd when deciding on adapt-symbol

   Sharon: so what's the unique value add we offer?

   matatk: notes lots of work on appropriate classification -- we
   can draw on to decide how to define buckets

   matatk: but there will be people who just need the bare minimum
   q+


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Hi all, 
Please review the agenda for Monday's WAI-Adapt TF call and let us know if there are any other topics that need to be added. 
Chair: Sharon 


* Welcome & introductions 
* Accessibility 4 Children group discussion 
* Review open issues 
* Recruiting 
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Time: 


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