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Re: ACT-R Meeting 2019-08-21 -- minutes

From: Daniel Montalvo Charameli <dmontalvo@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 11:05:05 +0200
To: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>, ACT Rules CG <public-act-r@w3.org>
Message-ID: <294e1c62-5302-6d14-dddb-b465b29bbe50@w3.org>
Good morning all:

Please find the minutes for today meeting at 

Text-only version below:


       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -


22 Aug 2019


           Wilco, alistairg, Kasper, Daniel, Jean-Yves, Darius,





      * [2]Topics
          1. [3]REMEMBER: Sign up for face-to-face meeting 24-25
             September 2019 #708
          2. [4]AGENDA ITEM, Final call
          3. [5]AGENDA ITEM, Reviewers wanted
          4. [6]Embrace tabs to split out contents of rule page
          5. [7]incorrect info about xml:lang #668
          6. [8]Add "language" as an input aspect to rules that has
             to do with evaluating meaning #671
          7. [9]Consider using accessibility tree as an input
             aspect #638
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
      * [11]Summary of Resolutions

    <scribe> scribe: Jean-Yves

REMEMBER: Sign up for face-to-face meeting 24-25 September 2019 #708



    Wilco: reminder f2f meeting in sept. Sign up before Sept 12.
    ... book hotel soon.

    Anne: especially if need accessible room

AGENDA ITEM, Final call


    Wilco: 3 final calls.

    Anne: auto play audio might go to final call today. Is it OK to
    final call it if there is just an editorial change after 3

    Wilco: Yes.
    ... two final call rules are also labelld WiP. Jey: demote FC.

AGENDA ITEM, Reviewers wanted


    Wilco: lot of rules need review. Remind to look at them and do
    ... Jey has change applicability on lang rule. Dagfinn, Wilco
    and Kasper will look.
    ... checkin outdated hyperlink (aria 1.0, ...)
    ... autocomplete new applicability.
    ... changelog on new page => other agenda item.
    ... Anne will review interpretation rule.
    ... missing links in glossary

    JY: more writing work, less reading work. Test not easy to

    Wilco: keep test in another PR.

    JY: footnote links support is added to ease write.

    Wilco: Daniel will review.
    ... name from content

    JY: mix of textual/non-textual content tricky.

    Anne: will do what I can and hand over to JY.

    Wilco: SVG rule.

    Anne: It is on hold.

    Wilco: heading not only whitespace

    Anne: need more work. Mostly editorial. Ready for review for
    most parts.

    Wilco: ARIA required context role

    Anne: problem with multiple owners, need to be clarified. Will
    need new review.

    Wilco: ARIA working group is looking for proper ownership

    Anne: they also look at inheritance issue.

Embrace tabs to split out contents of rule page #807

    <Wilco> [15]https://act-rules.github.io/rules/73f2c2

      [15] https://act-rules.github.io/rules/73f2c2

    Wilco: should we split the rule pages with tabs?

    Jey: rule pages are pretty long. We already move changelog to
    separate page. Maybe tabs is better to avoid multiply pages.

    Anne: concerned about accessibility of pages!

    Darius: agree that pages are too long

    Wilco: need to keep within ACT-Rules format. Visible test cases
    is good.

    JY: test cases are part of the rule. how to make rules easy to

    Anne: WCAG is one very long page. Should we do the same?

    Jey: another solution is expandable/collapsible sections.

incorrect info about xml:lang #668


      [16] https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/668

    Wilco: somebody need to deep dive into it and make a proposal

    JY: tried to look at it. failed...

    Wilco: it's very technical. Kasper will look into it.

Add "language" as an input aspect to rules that has to do with
evaluating meaning #671

    Wilco: how to include language in test cases.

    Anne: "this example is in English" in description vs add lang

    Wilco: probably both.

    Anne: if implementation only look at language tag and it is
    wrong, there is a problem.

    Kasper: several rule have exception for non human language
    stuff, also need language as input.

    JY: all input aspects need to be uniquely determined from the
    content of each example.
    ... I'll look into it.

Consider using accessibility tree as an input aspect #638

    JY: accessibility tree is currently not uniquely determined
    from HTML. Will need to be added to all examples.

    Wilco: DOM tree+browser build unique tree

    Alistair: will we promote the accessibility tree of one

    Wilco: Axe-core is mostly Chrome

    Kasper: Alfa is mostly aria introspection+accessible name

    Alistair: we create a virtualized DOM.

    Wilco: two things. 1/ standardisation of accessibility tree
    (aria group is working a bit on that); 2/ What do we do now?
    Until standardisation, differences will exist

    Alistair: choosing one browser is accelerating standardisation.
    Kicking off a TF with google and other would be good.

    Wilco: puppeteer is exposing accessibility tree.

    Alistair: we should have a piece of code that generate
    accessibility tree and exemplify it. Set up a new W3C TF to
    standardise accessibility tree

    Wilco: ACT CG is not the best place for that. ARIA probably
    ... we are on hold on that topic until standardisation

    <Kasper> For what it's worth:


    Daniel: we can only take the DOM for sure.
    ... we can't make standard with just one partner

    (we disconnected...)

    Wilco: we can try and promote our aria-owned definition once we
    have it.
    ... in meantime, add accessibility tree as input aspect is
    ... Wilco will do a PR.

    Alistair: we need to define which accessibility tre we use...

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

    [End of minutes]




On 8/21/2019 1:08 PM, Wilco Fiers wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Tomorrow (August 22nd) we are going to have another one of our 
> twice-monthly ACT-R Community telcos. I hope you will all be able to 
> attend again. Please review the GitHub issues on the agenda before the 
> meeting.
> The meeting will be from 10:00 CEST to 11:00 CEST. See 
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ACT-R+call&iso=20190822T10&p1=16&ah=1&am=00 
> for your local time.
> To join the meeting online, go to: 
> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=meaafc10f3f57822443d91648afb408b5
> Meeting number: 642 407 987
> Password: Ask in IRC
> You can also dial in by phone +1-617-324-0000
> Join us on IRC at irc.w3.org/?channels=#act-r 
> <http://irc.w3.org/?channels=#act-r>  (Changed!)
> Agenda
> ------
> https://github.com/search?q=user%3Aact-rules+repo%3Aact-rules.github.io+label%3A%22Agenda+item%22+state%3Aopen&type=Issues
> - REMEMBER: Sign up for face-to-face meeting 24-25 September 2019 #708
> - AGENDA ITEM, Final call
> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Final+call%22
> - AGENDA ITEM, Reviewers wanted
> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+review%3Arequired+
> - Embrace tabs to split out contents of rule page #807
> - Validity of HTML Lang attribute (bf051a) - incorrect info about 
> xml:lang #668
> - Add "language" as an input aspect to rules that has to do with 
> evaluating meaning #671
> - Consider using accessibility tree as an input aspect #638
> - Passing test cases need to meet the accessibility requirement #546
> - Potential failure techniques for consideration as ACT Rules #469
> Upcoming meetings:
> - September 12 (16:00 CEST)
> - September 24 - 25 (F2F meeting, Copenhagen)
> https://www.w3.org/community/act-r/act-rules-cg-face-to-face-meeting-on-24-25-september-2019-in-copenhagen-denmark/
> - October 10th (16:00 CEST)
> - October 24th (10:00 CEST)
> Kind regards,
> -- 
> *Wilco Fiers*
> Axe product owner - Co-facilitator WCAG-ACT - Chair ACT-R / Auto-WCAG

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