- From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 10:04:47 +1100
- To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
- Cc: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Thanks. For reference: * https://www.w3.org/mid/CA+9kkMBbzXUDTmXnp7KRXdKUTdHn5HjjDLBjwkwHYT3-yiKheg@mail.gmail.com * https://www.w3.org/mid/CA+9kkMAScAXrFrxd3wCJwfw7CDJv0nph50Bf2-hbRPskypffQg@mail.gmail.com Cheers, > On 21 Oct 2024, at 10:00 am, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > > > On 20/10/2024 23:58, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Do you have a link for Ted's arguments, or another way we can locate them? > > Oh sorry. I searched for geoip in the subject line of the WG > archive (locally in my case). That resulted in a bunch of mails > from 2022. > > Cheers, > S. > >>> On 21 Oct 2024, at 9:56 am, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20/10/2024 23:41, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>> Hi Stephen, >>>> It'd be helpful if you could explain why you oppose it -- either >>>> directly or by reference (if you've made the argument before). It's >>>> hard to evaluate without more detail. >>> >>> Same as before. In that case I think I mostly +1'd Ted's arguments. >>> >>> Bottom line though is the handling of location in the web is utterly >>> awful today. We should make efforts to fix that before we add new >>> ways that can and will be used to make it even worse. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> S. >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>> On 20 Oct 2024, at 12:36 am, Stephen Farrell >>>>> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >>>>> Hiya, >>>>> Two years on, I still strongly oppose this work. >>>>> Wouldn't we all be better off if we instead spent more effort on trying to improve the Internet (and the web) by reducing the >>>>> levels of commercial surveillance (as we agreed to in RFC7258) >>>>> rather than enabling new ways to make that problem worse? >>>>> I'm not questioning the authors' bona-fides here, but this would be going in entirely the wrong direction. >>>>> Thanks, S. >>>>> On 10/19/24 04:38, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>>> Internet-Draft draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01.txt is now >>>>>> available. It is a work item of the HTTP (HTTPBIS) WG of the >>>>>> IETF. Title: The IP Geolocation HTTP Client Hint Authors: >>>>>> Tommy Pauly David Schinazi Ciara McMullin Dustin Mitchell Name: draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01.txt Pages: 7 Dates: 2024-10-18 Abstract: Techniques that improve user >>>>>> privacy by hiding original client IP addresses, such as VPNs and >>>>>> proxies, have faced challenges with server that rely on IP >>>>>> addresses to determine client location. Maintaining a >>>>>> geographically relevant user experience requires large pools of >>>>>> IP addresses, which can be costly. Additionally, users often >>>>>> receive inaccurate geolocation results because servers rely on geo-IP feeds that can be outdated. To address these challenges, >>>>>> we can allow clients to actively send their network geolocation >>>>>> directly to the origin server via an HTTP Client Hint. This >>>>>> approach will not only enhance geolocation accuracy and reduce >>>>>> IP costs, but it also gives clients more transparency regarding >>>>>> their perceived geolocation. The IETF datatracker status page >>>>>> for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ >>>>>> draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint/ There is also an HTML version >>>>>> available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-pauly- >>>>>> httpbis-geoip-hint-01.html A diff from the previous version is >>>>>> available at: https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft- >>>>>> pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01 Internet-Drafts are also available >>>>>> by rsync at: rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts >>>> -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>> >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
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