- From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:58:08 +1100
- To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
- Cc: ietf-http-wg@w3.org
Do you have a link for Ted's arguments, or another way we can locate them? > On 21 Oct 2024, at 9:56 am, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > > > On 20/10/2024 23:41, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Hi Stephen, >> It'd be helpful if you could explain why you oppose it -- either >> directly or by reference (if you've made the argument before). It's >> hard to evaluate without more detail. > > Same as before. In that case I think I mostly +1'd Ted's arguments. > > Bottom line though is the handling of location in the web is utterly > awful today. We should make efforts to fix that before we add new > ways that can and will be used to make it even worse. > > Cheers, > S. > > >> Cheers, >>> On 20 Oct 2024, at 12:36 am, Stephen Farrell >>> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: >>> Hiya, >>> Two years on, I still strongly oppose this work. >>> Wouldn't we all be better off if we instead spent more effort on trying to improve the Internet (and the web) by reducing the >>> levels of commercial surveillance (as we agreed to in RFC7258) >>> rather than enabling new ways to make that problem worse? >>> I'm not questioning the authors' bona-fides here, but this would be going in entirely the wrong direction. >>> Thanks, S. >>> On 10/19/24 04:38, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>> Internet-Draft draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01.txt is now >>>> available. It is a work item of the HTTP (HTTPBIS) WG of the >>>> IETF. Title: The IP Geolocation HTTP Client Hint Authors: >>>> Tommy Pauly David Schinazi Ciara McMullin Dustin Mitchell Name: draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01.txt Pages: 7 Dates: 2024-10-18 Abstract: Techniques that improve user >>>> privacy by hiding original client IP addresses, such as VPNs and >>>> proxies, have faced challenges with server that rely on IP >>>> addresses to determine client location. Maintaining a >>>> geographically relevant user experience requires large pools of >>>> IP addresses, which can be costly. Additionally, users often >>>> receive inaccurate geolocation results because servers rely on geo-IP feeds that can be outdated. To address these challenges, >>>> we can allow clients to actively send their network geolocation >>>> directly to the origin server via an HTTP Client Hint. This >>>> approach will not only enhance geolocation accuracy and reduce >>>> IP costs, but it also gives clients more transparency regarding >>>> their perceived geolocation. The IETF datatracker status page >>>> for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ >>>> draft-pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint/ There is also an HTML version >>>> available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-pauly- >>>> httpbis-geoip-hint-01.html A diff from the previous version is >>>> available at: https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft- >>>> pauly-httpbis-geoip-hint-01 Internet-Drafts are also available >>>> by rsync at: rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts >> -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
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