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Re: Considering RFC7725bis

From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 14:06:16 +1100
Cc: "Bavitz, Christopher" <cbavitz@law.harvard.edu>, Lumen Team <team@lumendatabase.org>
Message-Id: <D9B2AAD9-28E2-43B1-8081-91E6B1CD3D9A@mnot.net>
To: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Forwarding, as it appears to be stuck in moderation.

> On 17 Nov 2020, at 2:08 am, Lumen Team <team@lumendatabase.org> wrote:
> Hello, Mark and other WG participants.
> My name is Adam Holland, and I’m the project manager for the Lumen database at Harvard’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society.
> www.lumendatabase.org
> (conceived and founded by W3C’s Wendy Seltzer)
> For those of you unfamiliar, Lumen is a database of requests to remove material from the web – most of them formally legal, like DMCAs and court orders.
> The 451 response is therefore one we’re quite interested in.
> We’d like to suggest the possibility that a 451 response, where possible, could be encouraged to include a link outward to the text of the legal request that prompted the block or removal.
> Ideally, that copy would exist in Lumen’s database, but what’s important is that it be available somewhere for researchers to study.
> In the past few years, we have had some excellent work done with Lumen’s aggregations of removal requests, and this seems like it could be a fantastic way to facilitate more.
> While we completely understand the potential obstacles that might arise in recipients sharing what could be a sensitive legal request, our experience has been that those can for the most part be surmounted with judicious redaction, and that some additional information is always better than none.
> This is just a short response to the list to prompt further discussion, we would be glad to get into more details as appropriate or write up something more formal.
> Please let us know.
> Sincerely,
> Adam and the Lumen Team

Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
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