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Re: DRAFT: more details for HTTPtre

From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:10:12 +0100
To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com>
Message-ID: <b1ee41e0-3a95-a54f-f043-637c06a24b53@gmx.de>
On 2017-11-28 09:48, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> --------
> In message <5821D7EE-F4E3-4E74-93CE-FE1D58112258@mnot.net>, Mark Nottingham writes:
> 
>> In Singapore, it seems like there was broad acknowledgement that doing
>> HTTPter is a good idea, but there was some concern about the schedule,
>> especially since QUIC might depend upon or interact with it.
> 
> How about we call it HTTP3 instead, and focus on all the stuff that
> can or should be removed, in order to reduce implementation complexity,
> privacy concerns and efficiency ?

That sounds to be very different task to do.

> To give one example:
> 
> The pervasive wiretapping by NSA+friends which got IETF all hot and
> bothered.
> 
> But NSA+friends are at least in theory under some kind of public
> oversight, and generally focused only on their charter goals.
> 
> For comparison HTTP Cookies are used to invade the privacy of every
> single person on the planet, by any number of large transnational
> tax-evading companies, by any method which will bring them a profit.
> 
> Whatever "oversight" the shareholders exercise, is all focused on
> increasing that profit, because the shareholders are mainly
> tax-sheltered transnational funds, which invest purely to make a
> profit.
> 
> In QUIC there should be no Cookies, but instead a client chosen
> session identifier, so that clients get a real, rather than a pretend
> "private browsing" choice.
> 
> As a side effect, replacing many kilobytes of fatty cookies with
> a 128 or even 256 bit session identifier will save tons of
> bandwidth and processing power.
> ...

Well, cookies aren't even defined in the specs we're planning to revise 
as part of this activity...

Best regards, Julian
Received on Tuesday, 28 November 2017 09:10:56 UTC

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