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Re: DRAFT: more details for HTTPtre

From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 08:48:05 +0000
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Patrick McManus <mcmanus@ducksong.com>
Message-ID: <72473.1511858885@critter.freebsd.dk>
In message <5821D7EE-F4E3-4E74-93CE-FE1D58112258@mnot.net>, Mark Nottingham writes:

>In Singapore, it seems like there was broad acknowledgement that doing 
>HTTPter is a good idea, but there was some concern about the schedule, 
>especially since QUIC might depend upon or interact with it. 

How about we call it HTTP3 instead, and focus on all the stuff that
can or should be removed, in order to reduce implementation complexity,
privacy concerns and efficiency ?

To give one example:

The pervasive wiretapping by NSA+friends which got IETF all hot and

But NSA+friends are at least in theory under some kind of public
oversight, and generally focused only on their charter goals.

For comparison HTTP Cookies are used to invade the privacy of every
single person on the planet, by any number of large transnational
tax-evading companies, by any method which will bring them a profit.

Whatever "oversight" the shareholders exercise, is all focused on
increasing that profit, because the shareholders are mainly
tax-sheltered transnational funds, which invest purely to make a

In QUIC there should be no Cookies, but instead a client chosen
session identifier, so that clients get a real, rather than a pretend
"private browsing" choice.

As a side effect, replacing many kilobytes of fatty cookies with
a 128 or even 256 bit session identifier will save tons of
bandwidth and processing power.


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