- From: Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu>
- Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 10:16:13 -0700
- To: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Cc: tcpm@ietf.org, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Daniel Stenberg <daniel@haxx.se>, Patrick McManus <pmcmanus@mozilla.com>
All, It sounds like the job of an author or a search engine (or both). I've given you a place to start. Joe On 8/17/2016 10:00 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > That sounds like a fine idea. I'll be glad to go through those. > > tim > > On 8/17/16 12:26 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> Perhaps we can agree that the reasonable course of action here is for >> Joe to (re)-recommend a compact set of citations to the authors, perhaps >> even in some easily consumable form to them (kramdown-2629 or XML)? >> >> Eliot >> >> >> On 8/17/16 5:28 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >>> Joe, >>> >>> On 17/08/2016 16:08, Joe Touch wrote: >>>> On 8/16/2016 11:42 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>>>> On 17 Aug 2016, at 3:23 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>> [snip] >>>>>>> If that's the case, I'd observe that the IETF isn't an academic >>>>>>> publisher, and acknowledging all prior work in an area is neither >>>>>>> practical, nor required, nor current practice. >>>>>> Plagiarism isn't an issue limited to academic environments. >>>>>> Publication >>>>>> of a document on the web is still publication. >>>>> Sure. It also isn't a legal issue in this form (unless you're >>>>> asserting copyright?). Effectively, it's a cultural norm. Again, I >>>>> will point out that in the culture of the IETF, we historically have >>>>> not cited the complete provenance of every idea, both because it's >>>>> impractical and because it doesn't benefit the reader. >>>> Although that's true in the smallest cases, the IETF does have two >>>> concepts that support this norm: an author list and a set of >>>> references. >>>> >>>> Can you explain how it helps the reader to not cite two documents that >>>> are both squarely in the same area as this doc (interaction between >>>> HTTP >>>> and TCP and the impact of running many small connections closed at the >>>> client as for HTTP)? >>> Instead of starting your discussion with words like "plagiarism", you >>> could have just asked for information to be clarified and a >>> citation/acknowledgement added? With your current introduction you >>> pissed off lots of people. >>>>> As far as I know, the IETF does not have a stated position about >>>>> what you regard as PLAGIARISM. Hopefully we can get some clarity >>>>> about that from the ADs, as well as some definitive evidence of what >>>>> you're asserting. >>>> You can if you want, but my primary point here is to have this work >>>> corrected - and to stop the myth that "it doesn't matter" whether >>>> *reasonable* citations are included. >>> Noted. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tcpm mailing list >> tcpm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tcpm >>
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