RE: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-httpbis-header-compression-12.txt

On Wednesday,18 February 2015 02:48, wrote:
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 11:47 am, Bjoern Hoehrmann <> wrote:
>> * Mark Nottingham wrote:
>>> As we discussed (but for the benefit of everyone else) -- we've
>>> already talked about this extensively, and came to consensus that
>>> making such a change would be more likely to cause problems, without
>>> making a material improvement in the protocol.
>> Do you have a reference for this conclusion? I do not really agree
>> that we should ship a new protocol with known bugs for the short-term
>> benefit of experimental implementations, and I would like to find out
>> what I am missing.
> The relevant issue is:

Apples and oranges. Greg was talking about improving the table efficiency. Julian et al are talking about fixing flat out bugs.

> ... and this is perhaps relevant context:

I'd like clarification from the AD (Barry?) on the text from this "context". To quote (from Mark's link above):

On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:41:06 +1100, wrote:
> We've discussed this many times, and had it confirmed by our Area Director;
> it's entirely appropriate to reject changes that don't meet this bar (either an
> overriding security or interop issue, or strong group consensus to make the
> change) at this point in the lifetime of the protocol.

Where does this concept of "strong" group consensus come from? To quote Section 6 of RFC7282 [1]...
"If there is a minority of folks who have a valid technical objection, that objection must be dealt with before consensus can be declared."

I fail to see how this doesn't apply here.

[1] "On Consensus and Humming in the IETF"

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