- From: Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com>
- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:13:49 +1100
- To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Cc: HTTP <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAH_y2NE73vWnSgcq7E1JYTGXwyg1VT_qhowOLxyuNPupxHabNA@mail.gmail.com>
The problem I have with TLS everywhere is reflected by this part: We believe that each of these changes will help restore the trust users > must have in the Internet > It is a false promise that by encrypting all our application layer protocols that we will suddenly provide adequate security for internet users. It is simply not the case that encryption provides a sufficient protection of a users "private information" to achieve any significant increase in trust. Protocol encryption does not protect any meta data. Observation of encrypted traffic can still be used to work out when, where, to who of your internet usage. By simple correlation of sizes and timing, very good predictions of what you have read to who you have communicated to on the other side of the server. I think that pretending that TLS is a panacea that will somehow make the public internet a safe private network is just wasting effort that would be better spent really trying to fix the problem. Making the problem of privacy on a public network the problem of every protocol designer is hoping for some kind of emergent behaviour that is just not going to happen. There are still people today hoping on flights to Nigeria with all their life savings in their suitcase, hoping to help some dude they only met via email import export millions of dollars. Adverts based on my search terms still pop up on other related computers, thus revealing to my wife what birthday present I'm searching for. Oppressive regimes still know which websites you visit even if you use https. Encrypting is not going to help with any of these problems and they are the kinds of problems that need to be fixed if you want people to trust the internet. regards -- Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com> @ Webtide - *an Intalio subsidiary* http://eclipse.org/jetty HTTP, SPDY, Websocket server and client that scales http://www.webtide.com advice and support for jetty and cometd.
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