Re: h2 priority

This conversation is quickly becoming unproductive and diverging from the
technical issues.
Please refrain from venomous speech like 'follow you and your little red

If you have a different opinion, state it.
If you have a constructive criticism, say it.
If you intend to stir the pot for other reasons, please shut the hell up.


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp <>

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> , Patrick McManus writes:
> >To clarify my statements, I indicated that the world is moving beyond
> >HTTP/1 - the data shows that.
> I think you suffer badly from selection bias when you make this
> statement.
> *Your* world may be moving in that direction, but there are huge
> swatches of HTTP traffic that doesn't seem to follow you and your
> little red wagon.
> IMO this effect has been present throughout, where representatives
> from a small number of large sites seem to confuse their site and
> other sites of the kind with "the world".
> The whole "Mandatory TLS" is probably where we saw this most clearly:
> The advocates of "Mandatory TLS" all seem to be from sites which
> require user login and which have privacy data and concerns.
> But those sites are not even close to carrying 50% of the HTTP
> traffic in the net today:  The majority of traffic is public
> without privacy concerns that is not already revealed by the
> existence of the TCP connection in the first place.
> I share the anti-NSA sentiment as much as the next guy, but there
> is never going to be a sane case to be made why CNN or BBC's
> frontpage has to suffer the huge overhead of TLS.
> Nor is there any sane architectural argument to be made why
> the emergency-services web-pages of national governments
> should risk DoS'ing themselves with TLS during a catastrophy.
> And there is no way the porn industry is ever going to fork out
> money for TLS hardware for the 30+% of the total HTTP traffic they
> serve.
> So yes, you may *think* you have felt the world move, but I think
> it is just the faulty suspension of your office-chair.
> Poul-Henning
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