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Re: Blackmail??? Was: Encouraging a healthy HTTP/2 ecosystem

From: Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 03:19:24 -0700
Message-ID: <CABaLYCv0qy77E42aZfREfRGf696jo0Hatb6ibmUBDY0f0kkHGg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com>
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
I apologize for feeding the troll.  He brought the word blackmail into the
loop and I should not have let myself get baited.

As for the upgrade process, please note that upgrade has always been


On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com> wrote:

> On 2 July 2014 16:44, Mike Belshe <mike@belshe.com> wrote:
>>  This is why I called the proposal "blackmail".
>> Let's be clear here - you're the one blackmailing. You're threatening to
>> deliberately violate the spec if you don't like it.  Will is simply making
>> sure that the (hopefully accidental) violator of the spec is properly
>> identified so that the bug can be easily fixed.
> Whoa Steady there!!!!
> I know that discussions in the WG have got a little bit heated, but please
> lets not go labelling implementer who choose not to implement the full
> specification as blackmailers!
> Several implementers have stated that they will not implement
> CONTINUATIONs because it is not required for the traffic that they
> serve.    I believe that it is a reasonable and valid technical decision to
> make and it is entirely appropriate for them to inform the WG of that
> decision and the reasons behind it.
> I have much more concern about the common browsers deciding not to support
> UPGRADE, as that is a technical decision that will force a significant
> change in the web eco system - but I fully support their ability to make
> such a decision and the live/die/change by it's consequences.
> regards
> --
> Greg Wilkins <gregw@intalio.com>
> http://eclipse.org/jetty HTTP, SPDY, Websocket server and client that
> scales
> http://www.webtide.com  advice and support for jetty and cometd.
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