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Re: Proxies (includes call for adopting new work item, call for input)

From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:25:39 -0700
Message-ID: <CABcZeBMrvMJ=CdivJrUuVacMQ8fa6fLu9fqPnuCfbDncDnYVnA@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Diego R. Lopez" <diego@tid.es>
Cc: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, Martin Nilsson <nilsson@opera.com>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego@tid.es> wrote:

>  So the SPDY proxy and Chrome are a split UA as well? A general proxy run
> by Microsoft for all IEs would be a split UA?
>

I don't know the details of how these work, but it seems likely that that's
the
case.



> It is not the software vendor "imposing" something to the user here as
> well?
>

Of course, but the software vendor imposes all kinds of choices on the user
all the time, and of course the user can use some other kind of software.
If your enterprise/ISP requires you to use a proxy, now you have two
entities
in control of your experience rather than one.

-Ekr


>
>



>  On 20 Jun 2014, at 13:37 , Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
>
>   I generally think of a split UA as being one where both sides are
> controlled
> by the software vendor. E.g., Amazon sells you the Kindle Fire and they
> also run the server side. That's different from having the enterprise
> impose
> a proxy on a piece of software which someone else wrote and deployed.
>
>  -Ekr
>
>  On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Diego R. Lopez <diego@tid.es> wrote:
>
>> Would not any proxy fall in this split UA category then? What
>> differentiates a proxy from a split UA?
>>
>> On 20 Jun 2014, at 11:59 , Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 20 June 2014 08:06, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> Finally, there are cases where part of the UA functionality is moved
>> into
>> >> the network, such as in Opera mini - do we consider that as "proxying"
>> as
>> >> well (methinks yes, because it shares most of the considerations of
>> >> classical proxies).
>> >
>> > I don't tend to think of this as a proxy at all.  Split UA is the term
>> > I've used casually with respect to Opera mini, Silk and others.
>> > Really, this is just a software deployment choice.
>> >
>>
>>
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