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RE: Making Implicit C-E work.

From: <K.Morgan@iaea.org>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 07:28:08 +0000
To: <grmocg@gmail.com>, <roland@zinks.de>, <matthew@kerwin.net.au>
CC: <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, <C.Brunhuber@iaea.org>
Message-ID: <0356EBBE092D394F9291DA01E8D28EC20112D9C43E@sem002pd.sg.iaea.org>
On Wednesday,30 April 2014 12:27, Roberto Peon Wrote:

>

> On Wednesday,30 April 2014 11:35, Roland Zinks wrote:

>>

>> On Wednesday,30 April 2014 08:45, Roberto Peon Wrote:

>>> In fact what we're doing is offering two representations simultaneously.

>>

>> Don't think this will really work. Only one can delivered and translating between them (for example range) seems to be difficult.

>

> Why is range a problem? If a server wishes to service a range request, it need not compress the output.

> With the proposal, the server will be able to know if the client requested gzip explicitly or not and make

> the correct decision w.r.t. what to output. This is the same as it is today with HTTP/1.



Let's clarify that.  If a server wishes to service a range request it MUST NOT use implicit c-e gzip to compress the output.



range(gzip(content)) != range(identity(content))



This introduces loop-holes for all of those intermediaries you're trying to combat which strip a-e gzip.



For example, an intermediary could...

+ Strip a-e gzip and inject a range request for the entire content:

   "Accept-Encoding: identity"

   "Range: bytes=0-"

+ Or, if the server is too smart for that, strip a-e gzip and inject a multi-part range for the entire content:

   "Accept-Encoding: identity"

  "Range: bytes=0-0,1-"

+ Or, if the server is really smart, strip a-e gzip and split the request into two separate range requests for the entire content:

   "Accept-Encoding: identity"

   "Range: bytes=0-0"

   ...

   "Accept-Encoding: identity"

   "Range: bytes=1-"



Of course the server could simply disable Range requests (i.e. always send the full c-e gzip response - which is legal).  I would argue that this will also degrade the user experience as there are more and more users browsing on spotty networks (e.g. Safari doesn’t use range requests [1] and it drives me crazy every time I’m loading a page and there is a break in network connectivity on the subway, because then it has to start all over).



[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2014AprJun/0112.html




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