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Re: Call for Proposals re: #314 HTTP2 and http:// URIs on the "open" internet

From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:13:42 +0000
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
cc: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>, Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <42694.1384935222@critter.freebsd.dk>
In message <87E9681E-64AF-44B9-B25E-7CD37A08F25B@mnot.net>, Mark Nottingham wri

>Much experience has shown us that MUSTs and SHOULDs are ignored when =
>they're disconnected from implementation needs -- even if those =
>requirements are intended for the greater good.

Until we know how good or bad performance HTTP/2.0 has relative to
HTTP/1.1, it is very hard to gauge how marketable HTTP/2.0 will be
in what segments, and consequently what the implementation needs
will be.

I feel it is premature to try to decide 314, until we know the
protocol we're talking about much better.

That being said, my position is always that attempting to push a
political agenda with technical means is fools errand, and the
end-to-end principle of systems design certainly argues against
attempting to do it with one of the bits in the middle.

So I think we should give people maximum freedom:

1. HTTP/2 on separate port, unencrypted or with per trasaction
   encryption, for maximum performance.

2. HTTP/2 as upgrade on TLS.  People tell us that there is a
   roboust negotiation mechanisem and sufficient transparency on 443.

3. Leave port 80 as HTTP/1 only because there is too much "pidgin
   HTTP" kit out there, and the RTT delay spent on upgrading would
   prevent pure HTTP/2 implementations and delay when HTTP/2 performance
   benefits kicks in.

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